Are There Limits to What People Can “Identify As”?

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The modern world is familiar with the idea of “identifying as.” This may be the Transgenderism of a biological sex “identifying as” a different gender. It may be the transracialism of a white woman “identifying as” a black woman. It may even be school children identifying as cats (“furries”), or identifying as mushrooms.

Examples like these raise issues of “identity.” They can be explored from the different perspectives of religions, rights, laws (etc.). But they also raise a set of questions about thinking, and about whether there are more and less appropriate ways to think about the issues raised by “identifying as.”

1. Definitions and Descriptions

When people “identify as X,” they are describing themselves as an X. When they insist that they alone have the right to determine what they identify as, they are effectively asserting the infallibility of their “identifying as.”

Can there be infallible (self) descriptions?

Since David Hume (d. 1776), philosophers have traditionally distinguished between two kinds of claims: DEFINITIONS and DESCRIPTIONS. (See Hume’s Fork.)

DEFINITIONS link ideas (or concepts) by expressing logical relationships between them. A classic example is the claim that “bachelors are unmarried.” That claim is telling us the meaning of the word “bachelor.” So, if we are going to describe a person X as a “bachelor,” then it is logically necessary that we also describe the person as “unmarried.” DEFINITIONS tell us nothing about things (like people). They just tell us about how to link ideas through language.

With a modest stretching of language, we could even say that DEFINITIONS involve a kind of infallibility. If (and as along as) “bachelor” is DEFINED as “unmarried,” then a person is infallible in describing a bachelor as unmarried.

DESCRIPTIONS typically relate to things, not ideas. If we assert that a particular person X is a bachelor, we are describing a person (not an idea). Maybe our DESCRIPTION of the person is true, maybe it is false. Maybe X sincerely thinks that he or she is a bachelor, but X could be wrong (due to amnesia or brain damage).

DESCRIPTIONS are always fallible. People can always err when describing things, either through accidental mistakes or through deliberate deception. This is why the Scientific Method always demands evidence, and the risk of error means that it can only (empirically) “confirm,” rather than (logically) “prove” its claims about how the world works.

When people confuse DEFINITIONS and DESCRIPTIONS, a muddle about ideas and things can easily drift into confusion about whether a claim is fallible or not.

When it comes to questions about “identifying as,” people are typically talking about real things (i.e., themselves), not just ideas. So they are proposing DESCRIPTIONS, not DEFINITIONS. This means that when people “identify as,” they are making fallible claims about themselves, even if they are unaware of those fallibilities.

2. Cotard’s Syndrome

We can see why self-descriptions are fallible if we consider the very different set of issues raised by a medical condition such as Cotard’s syndrome. People suffering from Cotard’s syndrome believe that they are dead. To put it another way, those with Cotard’s syndrome “identify as” dead.

The syndrome often has very serious consequences. If people think that they are already dead, then they see no need to eat or to avoid risky behavior. After all, if you are dead, then you cannot die, so risks of injury and death become irrelevant.

Those suffering from Cotard’s syndrome are sincere and absolutely convinced of their current status of being dead. Documented cases involve people becoming agitated and violent if their demands to be buried are not carried out.

When people say that they are dead, they are describing themselves. We know that (self) descriptions are always fallible. (See above.) So we know that “identifying as dead” is a fallible self-description. In the particular case of Cotard’s syndrome its fallibility is easily visible. If people are alive enough to claim to be dead, then they cannot be dead.

3. Facts and Feelings

When people make claims about objective (empirical) FACTS, their claims are generally subject to evidence and they are potentially correctable (i.e., corrigible). If a person says that “it is raining,” someone else can look at the weather and use its evidence to offer a correction: “No it’s not raining, it’s snowing.”

When people make claims about their subjective FEELINGS, those claims are not subject to correction (i.e., they are incorrigible). This is because the objective evidence which enables correction of (empirical) FACTS is not typically available in the case of FEELINGS. If a person says “I feel ill,” others can say whether the person looks ill, but no one has access to the inner subjective information inside a person to challenge claims about how the person really feels. Thus, a claim to “feel ill” is incorrigible.

There is some value in a distinction between corrigible FACTS and incorrigible FEELINGS, but there is also a serious potential problem. If FACTS are real, then it is too easy to assume that what they are contrasted with (i.e., FEELINGS) must be unreal. Yes FEELINGS are not objectively real, in the sense that they can be observed by other people, but that does not mean that they are not still real, albeit subjectively real.

This is particularly clear in cases where people have FEELINGS of pain. If pain is an objective FACT, then people have sometimes assumed that it must be (empirically) observable, using equipment like brain scanners. But no matter how strongly correlated FEELINGS of pain might be with FACTS about signals in regions of the brain, it seems implausible that a third party could ever use equipment to tell people claiming to be in pain that they are mistaken. Pain may not be an objective FACT, but claims to be in pain are not delusions. Pain is a very real phenomenon, even if it is a subjective FEELING, rather than an objective FACT.

When people “identify as,” they are often talking about their inner awareness of themselves in their subjective FEELINGS. If so, then “identifying as” can be thought of as an instance of an incorrigible claim. It is asserting a subjectively real claim, which needs to be taken as seriously as when people talk about FEELINGS of pain.

4. Is Incorrigibility a Form of Infallibility?

René Descartes (d. 1650) argued: “I think, therefore I am.” This is a transcendental argument, rather than a typical inductive evidential argument, or a deductive logical argument. It can be thought of as moving from an (incorrigible) inner subjective thinking, to an assertion of the objective factual existence of the thinker.

With a modest stretching of normal philosophical language, we could describe this kind of reasoning as an argument from incorrigibility to infallibility. Incorrigible inner experiences cannot be challenged, so its conclusion cannot be shown to be not-true.

Is this a safe way of reasoning?

There is reason to think not. Films like The Matrix and thought experiments by philosophers like Nick Bostrom have asked us to contemplate the possibility that we are dreaming reality, or that we are just characters in an alien computer game. (See Simulation Hypothesis.) Rather than arguing “I think therefore…,” we now have to ask ourselves how we can be sure that there is an “I” doing any thinking at all. Maybe we are all just clever bits of code in a galactic game of Earth SIMS? Maybe what we are inclined to view as thinking is just simulated thinking. After all, has anyone experienced the difference between real thinking and simulated thinking, so how could we ever rule out a simulation hypothesis?

What this suggests is that apparently incorrigible beliefs or feelings may still be capable of erring. So, people should not jump automatically from incorrigible inner experiences to infallible claims.

5. Phantom Limb Syndrome

We can see examples of how incorrigibility can involve mistakes when we consider Phantom Limb Syndrome. This occurs when people have had limbs amputated, but they still seem to feel pain in the removed limbs.

Feelings of pain in a missing limb are a subjective reality in people’s minds. It would be wrong to dismiss the feelings as objectively unreal, or as merely imaginary, just because there is no longer a limb which can be in pain. On the contrary, people with Phantom Limb Syndrome can suffer intense pain and distress, and they can need serious medication for pain relief.

However, despite the reality of pain, there is also a mistake present in Phantom Limb Syndrome, as people cannot feel pain in a limb which is no longer part of their body. If we imagine that an amputated limb has been incinerated, then in cases of Phantom Limb Syndrome there is literally “no-thing” which can be causing or suffering pain, even though a person feels that it is so.

People’s feelings of pain are incorrigible, and so they must be taken seriously. But aspects of the feelings nevertheless involve mistakes. This shows that people cannot jump from an incorrigibility of feelings to an assumed infallibility about what the feelings mean, or about how they should be explained.

6. Sex and Gender Claims

To say that “identifying as” is making a fallible claim does not mean that the claim is necessarily wrong. When a person born as a male (or female) “identifies as” a female (or male), due to incorrigible feelings of self-awareness, then the person could well be correct. Gender Dysphoria can, and does, occur.

But a recognition that incorrigible claims are not infallible means that when a person “identifies as,” then there is also a possibility that the person could be mistaken. If there were no possibility of error, then incorrigibility would entail infallibility. But we have seen above that incorrigible claims are not infallible. So, logically, when a man (or woman) identifies as a woman (or man), then there must always be a possibility of error.

We can see possibly mistaken cases of “identifying as” when people regret transitioning decisions. (See Man regrets transitioning to woman and Woman regrets transitioning to man.) People are even going to the courts to sue over what they view as wrongness in the transitioning processes which they have undergone (see “Legal Action may change transgender care in America”).

There are many possible ways in which a transitioning process could involve fault. One of the most fundamental ways involves rationality. Where there is a deficit of rationality, liability invariably arises.

If those “identifying as X” are automatically considered to be X, then there is a potential deficit of rationality, because that kind of thinking is treating incorrigibility as infallibility. But incorrigibility is not infallibility.

So, a thoughtful approach to those who claim to be “identifying as” would ensure that there was always an appropriate process of discernment in place, so that there is potential mitigation for the risks of mistakenly “identifying as.”

7. What Does It All Mean

When people “identify as,” then their feelings must be taken seriously, as feelings are incorrigible. This means that it is as inappropriate, as it is insensitive, for a male white interviewer to ask why he cannot “identify as” a black lesbian. (See Piers Morgan exposes the absurdity of gender and racial self-identity, especially from the second minute.)

However, when people make claims about incorrigible feelings, those claims should not be taken as automatically correct. Incorrigibility does not mean infallibility. (See above.) This means that aspects of what people feel can be wrong, even when it relates to themselves. This is why there are cases of people who seem to regret a mistaken transitioning.

So, to return to the initial question: are there limits to “identifying as”? The incorrigibility of feelings means that anyone can identify, in any way. But the fallibility of “identifying as” means that others should not automatically assume the correctness of such claims. A thoughtful approach to “identifying as” will therefore be sensitive and supportive, whilst also discerning; so that those “identifying as” are aided appropriately, in order to reduce the risk of mistakes.

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13 thoughts on “Are There Limits to What People Can “Identify As”?”

    1. I am expressing the position of a part of society which I encounter from time to time.

      Should we agree with the Pope? Isn’t it hard to maintain positive relationships with those who promote sin? Is love truly the solution that will change the situation and lead them to God? LGBT people, with their radical positions, aggressive influence on society, and political power, simply won’t cease solely due to my love towards them. Some people express the opinion that they are pursuing the same objectives that the Bolsheviks failed to achieve. There’s revolution everywhere, but it’s no longer the working class driving it; it’s the class advocating sexual deviations. Ultimately, we seem to be fixating on sex while ignoring larger issues, and I don’t mean global warming. This perspective prompts reflection on the viewpoints of those expressing such sentiments about the current state of affairs in the world.

    2. Yes Oksana you make some very thoughtful points and I’m afraid that there isn’t a simple answer. It is right for people with different views to maintain positive relationships, as that is arguably an aspect of what Jesus meant by loving your enemies (Mt 5, 44). But there can also come a point where a close relationship with a wrongdoer can actually become a form of complicity with the wrong doing. Precisely where that point falls is often a question of contextual judgement (or ‘Prudence’ as it is sometimes called), and people inevitably come to differing views.

      On the matter of a (Western) sexualised culture, yes there are certainly issues which are contrary to Christianity (and to other faiths like Judaism and Islam). But once again there are understandable differences of view about what is the ‘best’ way to deal with the issues. Is it a ‘harder’ confrontation and challenging, or is it a ‘softer’ conversation and persuasion? People reach different conclusions on the matter and so their actions vary.

  1. Hello, Rory Fox! Off topic.

    My name is Oksana, and I am a refugee from Ukraine in Scotland. I’m currently shocked to see schoolgirls dressing inappropriately. I’m only 21 years old, but coming from Ukraine, I am very interested in politics, sociology, religions, and ideologies, which are now absolutely crazy. I am not Christian yet; my parents, born in the middle of the past century in the USSR, believe that religion is an enemy, of course.

    But after the war started, understanding how many little things in our life are crucial, I’m deeply depressed when I see parents allowing their young girls to dress provocatively. They visit a church once a week, they express hatred towards English people, because of the history, they maintain their Scottish accent, but is that it? That’s all they have? Where is the morality? Where is their common sense? I am sure that today’s democracy is a mistake in a lot of aspects.

    Sorry for this emotions, I hope I’m not embarrassing you. So…

    I’ve done some research and found your story, so I know that this particular problem is not only in Scotland and has been ongoing for more than ten years. I feel like all this time I was in a cage with a wrong vision of the United Kingdom. And now, when I see what is really wrong with my own country, when I look at social media like Facebook or Instagram (actively legally promoting things like OnlyFans), when I see young people on the streets, going from school, when I go to the Catholic Church and see the same girls with the same attire taking communion, when I read about Pope Francis’ declarations, in the end I feel really lonely and helpless, and it seems that everything is going to get worse.

    What is your opinion on this matter, or perhaps you could suggest something for me to read or where to run away…? Thank you.

    1. Oksana,
      Thank you for your thoughts and thank you for being so honest. Might I suggest a couple of points for consideration.

      Issues of dress and behaviour do differ markedly between societies. But it is always worth remembering that people can say and do things which seem ‘bad’, without thereby being ‘bad’ people themselves. For example, people can act out of ignorance, as Jesus showed when he prayed for forgiveness for the people killing him (Lk 22,34). I think what Pope Francis is trying to convey, is that Christians should hold on to their values, but also try and keep positive relationships with people with different values, so that those people will be open to giving the gospel a fair hearing.

      Another issue which can be relevant is how we look at things. Sometimes things do get worse in life (for a while), but there is also a well-known cognitive bias (called ‘Rosy Retrospection’) which can make it harder for us all to see benefits in situations, so that we end up focusing on negatives, and then we can all end up feeling that things are getting even worse than they are. An important way of avoiding this outcome is for us to keep talking to friends so that different viewpoints and perspectives can help us to frame our thoughts in the most effective way. This is also why Christianity is not just a religion of a book. It is a religion which stresses the importance of being a member of a Community where people can talk and share and work together.

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  3. Under this craziness: If someone wanted to self-identify as a Flat Rock…
    Then you MUST fully support their delusions, otherwise, you are just a bigoted hateful racist against igneous, sedimentary, and metamorphic persons!

    1. The article suggests that claims of ‘identifying as’ are always fallible, and so perhaps the most appropriate support for someone identifying as a ‘flat rock’ would involve a process of discernment which would ameliorate the risks of delusion?

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  5. Dear Rory, One thing I have not seen the demons/liberals/dems/totalitarians explain, or explain away, is what is there to prevent-on their alleged principles- that today someone Self IDs as X, and tomorrow as NotX? Today I self ID as a 89 year old african american lesbian with a hernia, blind in one eye, lame in one leg, entitled to go to the front of the lines at Disney World; tomorrow the person Self IDs as not any of that; and next week, same person, Self IDs as an olympic gold medalist in artistic group swimming, and demands that the medal be awarded and delivered posthaste. Note well: totalitarians have no problem with any of this so long as the person votes for and supports them. And Rory: Today I SElf ID as one who praises your writing-keep on keepin’ on! Guy, Texas

    1. Yes, any process which leads to fallible descriptions (of the self) can also lead to confusing contradictions. But is it a new problem? Jesus himself warns about the risks of sinners (fallibly) identifying as virtuous (Luke 18, 11), and thus the consequent importance of humility as we all recognize, and take seriously, the risks of mistakes in our self-identifications.

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