Pope Francis: A Modernist Heretic?

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Melanie Jean Juneau - Pope Not Heretic

Why do  Faithful American Catholics Label  Pope Francis: A Modernist Heretic?

Every time Pope Francis speaks, the papers are filled with sensational headlines; he does not emphasize many of the popular, hot issues like abortion and homosexuality, issues which often simply serve to divide voters into an us and them mentality. When did these issues become  the only issue that concerns the Church? Yet when the pope reminds us that our life in Christ is so much more, vocal advocates become extremely angry, denouncing the pope as the anti-pope.

How ridiculous! Why such a strong reaction?

Perhaps many Americans do not like this South American because Catholics in America were taught that God loves capitalism and that Greed is Good. Pope Francis has made some pretty negative remarks about the freebooter capitalism that has flourished since the 1990′s and that will make him very unpopular with the freebooters in the US. Some of his comments about greed, avarice, and freebooter capitalism have not even shown up in the mainstream media in Canada or the States.

I am baffled by all the negative reactions to Pope Francis. Personally I think that Pope Francis is just too joyful as he lives out his simple, his down-to earth spirituality and humble solidarity with the poor and this irritates many traditionalists. Jesus and St. Francis of Assisi also irritated the Pharisees of their eras; those pure proponents of tradition dislike anyone who challenges their lifestyle.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

The Catholic wisdom of the people… provides reasons for joy and humor even in the midst of a very hard life. §1676

The vocation of humanity is to show forth the image of God and to be transformed into the image of the Father’s only Son. This vocation takes a personal form since each of us is called to enter into the divine beatitude; it also concerns the human community as a whole. §1877

It seems to me that Pope Francis was appointed by God to remind the Church to come back to the basics, to our foundation in Christ. The pope desires to bring us into a balance in our spiritual life. Our first love, our focus is to allow God to love us, love Him in return and treat others with the same mercy and forgiveness as we receive from Christ. When a Catholic focuses solely on the evils of one issue, he is in danger of becoming angry, resorting to fighting his way, without Love.

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Matthew 22:36-40

Many pro-lifers are so focused on one issue that they have forgotten who they are as believers, as children of God, brothers and sisters of Christ, companions of the Holy Spirit.

Rather than attacking the Pope Francis, lobbyists should ask themselves, why they are reacting so vehemently. Perhaps Pope Francis is convicting them of their own shortcomings. Rather than taking the log out of their own eyes, they are searching for a speck of dust in the pope’s eyes. Yet here is a man who lives simply and joyfully, a man who lives out the gospel in real tangible ways.

Lord, forgive our arrogance and our presumption

that sets us up as judges.Turn our eyes to you, oh God

and have mercy on us.

About the Author:

Melanie Jean Juneau is a petite wife, writer and mother of nine children who blogs at Joy of nine9 http://melaniejeanjuneau.wordpress.com/. When the words "The Joy of Mothering on a Hobby Farm" popped into her head as a subtitle for her short stories, it was like an epiphany for her because those few words verbalized her experience living with little people.The very existence of a joyful mother of nine children seems to confound people. Her writing is humorous and heart warming; thoughtful and thought provoking with a strong current of spirituality running through it. Part of her call and her witness is to write the truth about children, family, marriage and the sacredness of life, especially a life lived in God.
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  • tom in ohio

    Yes there are some people who are using the words modernism, heresy etc. But there are many more people who are simply expressing legitimate concern . Carl Olson has done a good job expressing those concerns appropriately:.Are you including this sort of thing in the ndictment of joyless judgmentalism and misdirected zeal?

    • melanie jean juneau

      an excellent article, thank-you for the lead. What comes to me is that this pope has a missionary spirit; he adapts his language to reach the hearts of those he is speaking with but this can also create misunderstandings and “fuzzy” intent and meaning

    • tufty

      Do you like fuzzy clothing? I sense that you do. Call me intuitive.My daughter had a fuzzy bunny sweater, but it turned out she really didn’t like fuzzy bunnies all that much.

    • Sharon

      Three houses of the Franciscans of the Immaculate closed down at Christmas, their seminary closed and their seminarians sent to other orders – are we going through an Inquisition? Friars sent away to the missions – is this the type of missionary spirit that Francis wishes – is this the charity he advocates?

    • Sixtus_Maximus

      This Pope is against the Traditions of the Church! Next he”ll be changing Dogmas perhaps even renouncing the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception, that’s how unstable Pope Francis is, really close down a whole order of religious who have bared fruits with huge vocations. Then putting a liberal modernist in charge to purge the fruit. It is just amazing and I am witnessing this in my life time! Amazing!

    • Sixtus_Maximus

      The Pope is there to defend the Faith not cause confusion. Satan is the work of confuse! This Pope is scary to say the least!

  • Birgit Atherton Jones

    Perhaps the reaction by many of us is not quite as extreme on the side of either unquestionable admiration or extreme dislike. What I find troubling about laying aside the issues of homosexuality and abortion is that we advocates have many hard fought years behind us – trying to get these issues talked about, even once per year, from the pulpit. Now Pope Francis’ comments about these intrinsic evils have us fearing the loss of some respectable ground we’ve gained. After all, giving care to immigrants and serving the poor are also in the ‘no-brainer’ department – even though we are allowed to disagree about how to best serve them – in addition to solidarity, don’t discount subsidiarity. And certainly seeking Christ is the top issue of our Christ-centered faith. I don’t think that we have to choose which issues on which to focus – can’t we be Catholic enough to care about them all?

    • WSquared

      I’m not sure he’s laid them aside, though.

      But one thing that does become clear is something that Benedict XVI has always stressed: friendship with Jesus Christ. Only through, with, and in Him does the Church have something to offer others– rigorous, substantive, and communicated with great love. I think Francis is stressing the encounter with Christ, not necessarily at the expense of doctrine, dogma, and hot-button issues like homosexuality, contraception, and abortion, but in order to give all of them their proper context and Christocentric focus. Most people view those things almost exclusively and primarily in a political context, and through a series of historically and culturally conditioned lenses.

      Also, sometimes, not always, the doctrine and dogma go over people’s heads if communicated by themselves. But once seen in light of an encounter with Christ, they make more and more sense– sometimes not all at once, but it will come. Understanding unfolds, and is not left exclusively unto the intellect. It comes with the intellect communing with the very One who gave us the gift of reason as well as faith. I often tell people that if they pray the Rosary and receive the Sacraments frequently and worthily, they will already be able to anticipate much of “what’s coming” as they study the Catechism.

      What often does not get mentioned when we rightly decry the lack of preaching on abortion, contraception, fornication, and homosexual acts from the pulpit is the equal lack of preaching on how Sacramental grace is what enables us to live in a fulfilling way what the world and the culture likes to tell us is “unreasonable” and “too hard.”

    • melanie jean juneau

      well said

    • WSquared

      I think what’s happening is that both John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger/Benedict XVI gave us some very great gifts.

      …that we’ve barely even begun to unwrap. Which we must do if we’re to share them with others.

      There’s a twofold problem that essentially constitutes quite the elephant in the room, but will hamper our ability to unwrap and unpack what we’ve been given if we don’t address it : 1) the proper interpretation of Vatican II demands a Christocentric focus; on the Eucharist as the source and summit of the Christian life and the Church as Communion– “communio” in Ratzingerian terms. We cannot afford to ignore Vatican II or wistfully pretend or wish that it never happened, else we cede way too much ground on so many levels. 2) but a Christocentric focus assumes that we know Who Christ IS. “Who do you say that I AM?” is as pertinent a question now as ever, and for that, we are assured that St. Peter knows. We have to put Christ at the center, but we cannot afford to put a false Christ at the center– you can see how, amid our pop culture’s hippy-dippy “Jesus blather,” this issue is crucial. We are at a very interesting theological moment where the Incarnation and its implications are fuzzy not just to the culture at large, but to many Catholics. Cardinal Ratzinger succinctly laid out the problem in the 1989 preface to Introduction to Christianity– a book that all Catholics should read, but the aforementioned preface alone would be enough to generate some much-needed discussion.

      Pope Francis has talked about going out to the “existential peripheries” of human existence. To presume to do so without knowing Who Christ is to presume that we can evangelize with nothing.

      People are rightly concerned about Catholic identity. What they need not be concerned about is that Francis is going to somehow take away what Benedict and John Paul gave us. What we need to realize is that doctrine, dogma, and discipline are neither antithetical to friendship with Christ nor existing for their own sake. Rather, they tell us Who He is, and therefore the Christ with Whom we are to be friends.

      What can seem daunting, challenging, or plain frustrating, such that we are seeing the reactions we are is that John Paul II and Benedict XVI reminded us that we have a very beautiful, but very tough, seaworthy craft. And now, it’s as though Francis is already cutting to the chase and taking us into deep waters (or reminding us constantly that we are to “put out into the deep” by letting Jesus get into our boat). …or as Fr. Z often reminds traditionalists: “Benedict XVI gave you a nice, new, shiny bicycle. Now take off the training wheels and ride the darn bike!” Francis expects that we already know and are rooted in what Benedict made so clear, and now he’s telling us to get with the program. We went from “be not afraid” to someone who sometimes makes us feel like he’s fitted an outboard motor onto the Barque of Peter.

      As someone who is essentially “bi-formal” (EF and OF, whereby the EF has helped me pray the OF better than I ever have), I would say this: take Fr. Z’s “read Francis through Benedict” one step further– read Francis through the EF. Read Vatican II through the EF. Note the areas where the EF, Gregorian chant/polyphony, etc. actually illustrate and encapsulate what Francis is saying. One very good example is his exhortation to “make a mess.” I would contend that the reason why the EF knows how to “bring da noise” is because it knows the value of sacred silence: God speaks loudest in silence, and when we are still (Dan Burke recently wrote a piece for the NCRegister on the Devil’s war on silence). The EF communicates this beautifully, and it carries over into the low, daily form of the OF. Moreover, the joy that Francis communicates, he also knows is best nurtured by sobriety, and he’s made it clear that joy and “having fun” are not the same thing. He’s even said, “having fun is good, but wanting to have fun all the time makes us naive and a little stupid, no?” Someone who exhorts that “Mary helps us not be teenagers for life” isn’t a “modernist heretic.” And come on, he said that women religious are meant to be mothers, not “spinsters.”

      If it is indeed true that the focus on Christ is much, much visibly clearer and more obvious in the EF (and it is…), then it’s about time we started learning to connect the dots. Benedict didn’t free up the Latin Mass through “Summorum Pontificum” only for its own sake or exclusively for the sake of a few. Rather, he knew that tradition must engage; must evangelize. Because it CAN. Orthodoxy can and must meet people where they are, not because “anything goes,” but because Catholic orthodoxy is just bigger. Think of how powerful “Lumen Gentium” rooted in “Summorum Pontificum” is. Also, the “bigger” of Catholicism in breadth and depth across time and space only becomes clearer through its orthodoxy, the latter of which is neither laissez-faire wide nor scrupulously narrow.

    • Jeff_McLeod

      This essay is priceless WSquared.

      I totally agree with your perspective on old versus new, in all aspects of the Church, especially in your intelligent praise of Vatican II! Thank you. I too love both the Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo and I split my Sundays between the two.

      On Pope Francis taking us out into the existential peripheries and the continuity with Vatican II:

      I think Gaudium et Spes is a beautiful document that spells out the Christocentric key to Vatican II, but one has to read it through the eyes of faith.

      A general principle of text interpretation is to ask, prior to jumping to conclusions, “to whom was this document addressed?” Gaudium et Spes was addressed to the outside world, it was an attempt to take the world’s perspective and empathize with it. It is written as if talking to a drunk, saying, so you feel like nothing you do can fix you and you can’t control yourself, right? It seems like life wasn’t meant to be such a burden, but you’re trapped; you wonder how you can break out of this knot? We all want to know how to free ourselves from our prisons. Certainly we must work together for a more humane society, and the Church wants to join you in this effort. But the Church is proclaiming to you that there is a central answer from which all legitimate efforts spring, and that is the saving act of God who sent his Son in the person of Jesus Christ. Through him we are reconciled both to God and to ourselves.

      If you read the Vatican II documents well, you find it highly critical of the hackneyed left wing answers that have been forced on us in the last 200 years; and it is uncompromising in preaching the necessity of Christ.

      No liberal claptrap there, unless one wants to see it.

    • WSquared

      Wholeheartedly agreed on Gaudium et Spes and Vatican II, Dr. McLeod. Especially the necessity of reading them through the eyes of faith.

      Every time I read a Vatican II document, I sense the Church saying, “psst! There’s more! Come and see!” We should expect the Church to challenge us and our assumptions (and our fears and presumptions) on all fronts simultaneously.

      No liberal claptrap there, unless one wants to see it.

      Precisely. And it’s also crucial to know where liberals and progressives (or whomever) raise legitimate questions while knowing that the Church has better answers.

      A good example of this is when Dr. Pia de Solenni commented upon Francis’s exhortation for a theology of women at NCRegister, and she got some comments in the combox from people who were voicing some fears that are understandable in our cultural moment, but who hadn’t even read the documents she’d cited as a framework– namely “Ordinatio Sacerdotalis,” “Mulieris Dignitatem,” and “Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Cooperation of Men and Women in the Church and in the World” (regarding that last one, I’m noticing something else– please correct me if I’m wrong: I’m seeing somewhat of a larger restriction of discussion of Cardinal Ratzinger/Benedict XVI to liturgical matters. It’s as though what he writes there is of prime importance, but nobody seems to be reading any of it in connection with anything else he’s written).

    • melanie jean juneau

      You have just articulated my views only much more knowledgeably. John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger /Benedict XVI gave us well written, theory and foundations, Pope Francis speaks to the normal person on the street and tells him to start living what they wrote about in, with and through Christ in the modern world, exactly where he is.
      I think Pope Francis likes to “rock the boat”, “shake us up”,” get a rise out of us”, not so we attack him but rather to kick start us out of complacency and even worse self righteousness, into action.
      Jean Vanier (Canadian founder of L’Arche in France and Canada says, “I can be right. I can be dead right and bring death to all those around me.”

    • WSquared

      Lest we make that split between theorists and average people too pronounced, though, I would posit that these three Popes (and indeed all of Catholic teaching) address the whole person. One learns bit by bit to become attentive to what they share and how they’re sharing it if one is willing. After all, it’s not as though the Latin Mass doesn’t or can’t necessarily appeal to “normal people on the street.” It has. What every Pope will do is to challenge us to see that wholeness in different ways.

      In general, we don’t know what will touch someone’s heart, and how. John Paul II didn’t really “appeal” to me, despite the fact that he’d been Pope for most of my life, and that he had “the human touch.” The way the faith was presented to me as “fun” when I was younger, meant to speak to me at “my” level, didn’t appeal to me, either.

      But Pope Benedict got my attention. He’s an introvert and reserved, much like I am. He’s bookish, as am I. He’s a scholar. I aspire to be one. And yet, God enabled someone who is supposedly “not a people person” to reach out to others. In his own way. Benedict communicates such brilliance and profundity with such a big heart; that much is obvious to anyone who’s read him. And he is humble not just because he chose to step down for the good of the Church, but because he was always himself, trusting that whatever his gifts and weakness, God would sanctify that person, and not what he would become while trying to be someone he wasn’t.

      To not only be one’s self but to live a life that integrates profound intellect with an authentic spirituality is not an insignificant form of witness in a culture that would have us be something we aren’t, which divorces faith from reason, and which would have us believe that faith is just “emotion” and “religion,” and is just for “stupid” people. To have someone show you through the liturgy that the most precious things are the things of God in a culture that tries to relentlessly sell us more and more stuff is not insignificant, either.

      I would posit that Benedict “rocked the boat” plenty and “shook up” enough people by reminding us– particularly “better-educated Catholics”– that Catholicism demands the use of one’s brains, and that “God cares only what’s truly in my heart” is precisely why talking about sin matters, and why it logically follows that going to Confession matters. It’s just a different kind of challenge. And not one that a lot of people “liked.”

      Coming to love Pope Benedict helped me rediscover John Paul II. And to look into Leo XIII, John XXIII, Pius XII, and Paul VI. So Benedict had already prepared me to love Francis. By letting Benedict be Benedict, I’m prepared to let Francis be Francis. Whatever people feel they need from the Church, they are seeing it in Francis, just as others still saw what they needed from the Church in Benedict and John Paul. But that’s only an initial invitation to draw closer to Christ. The Lord can take it from there; if we are willing, He always does.

      Oh, and we should never underestimate how the dumb things the media says can help bring someone into the Church or back to the Church. The media reducing Light of the World to just “condoms” was just one signpost on the way back for me, but it was nonetheless significant. My first introduction to the thought of Joseph Ratzinger was being made livid by enough stupid comments to go to the nearest Borders to read Light of the World cover to cover in one afternoon. So yeah, God can use stuff like that, too, depending on what will get any one person’s attention at whatever time. Moreover, Pat Archbold compiled a bunch of quotes that “prove” that Pope Francis is a “liberal,” only to reveal that all of them were penned by Pope Benedict.

      God does have a sense of humor.

    • melanie

      nice..I understand you and have learned quite a bit with this discussion. All I can say now is , “Thank heaven God has a sense of humour!”

    • tufty

      Indeed. He’s laughing all the way to the bank.

    • Sharon

      Three months on from your post with rumours that Francis is going to allow divorced Catholics to receive communion do you still think that Francis is not going to take away what Blessed John Paul The Great and Pope Benedict gave us. Three houses of the Franciscans of the Immaculate closed down at Christmas and no Mass for the laity to go to – do you think that is not taking away what Pope Benedict gave us?

    • melanie jean juneau

      You have a good point. I think Pope Francis is simply trying to bring the Church back to basics; when we give Christ control to do things His way..stuff happens, …miraculously., like the fall of the Berlin wall. if I do things in my own strength, MY WAY, it is a tough, dry and I see little results. Maybe the most powerful way to change the secular world is to become beacons of light, saints, His presence on earth.

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      Point well taken. Sometimes, as fervent advocates for Life (or any hard fought battle), we pay too much attention to being result-oriented, rather than doing all we can with great Faith. That is certainly an aspect of which I have become more and more aware. Pope Francis has brought me to a greater desire to look at all others with more love.

    • melanie

      you see beyond the surface appearance of situations; you are a woman of deep faith

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      Well, at least that is my goal.

    • tufty

      All signs point yes

    • Sharon

      A good aim but don’t let this deter you from the fight for life which is a fundamental right. Imagine if people gave up the battle against slavery where would we be now?

    • Jonathan Ekene Ifeanyi

      Mind you, Birgit Atherton Jones! There is only one true love and that is the love that comes from God. Bergoglio’s love does not come from God. It is a fake love, coming from Satan himself. Flee from this man! By doing so you will in no way cease to be a Catholic. ALL GOOD CATHOLICS SHOULD PRAY FOR GOD HIMSELF TO GUIDE US AT THIS HORRIBLE MOMENT IN OUR HISTORY!
      –Jonathan Ekene Ifeanyi.

    • tufty

      Back to basics……whose basics? I honestly don’t have any idea exactly what religion Francis is describing in his latest interview. It’s pantheist. I know that. There’s no Jesus, no judgement, no heaven, hell, purgatory, I don’t think man’s consciousness survives death….I think he’s saying we become part of a huge cosnic ball of light at the end of the world. I’m not sure the light has consciousness.
      Anyway, that’s the basics. That’s the religion of the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church.

    • Sharon

      I agree. The problem is Francis has some good mixed in with the bad but overall what he advocates will lead to a lax lifestyle and sinfulness because human nature needs discipline. Imagine if all the laws were abolished and people were told just to live by love – how long would society as we know it exist? It would be mayhem. Francis is just an extension of liberals who say murderers should not be locked up … it’s a joke. Any serious minded person with any intelligence sees through Francis.

    • Sixtus_Maximus

      Pope Francis Should by all means resign. Pope Benedict made it a precedent so why not Pope Francis because he seems not cut out for leading the Holy Catholic Church. He’s washing Muslims feet! Jesus washed Baptised Disciples feet! If Pope Francis wants to be Muslim join the Muslim religion. If he wants to be a Protestant then leave the Holy Catholic Church but don’t take the Popacy and bring it down to a mere nothingness!

    • Paul Gerard

      Amen, Francis is out of his depth. He neitehr understands the role of the Papacy, not Catohlci traditino, and his modernistic tenedency is apparent is comments like ” see the Gosepl a-new” well what does that make of the previous 1900 years… they’re all wrong… we are only now understanding the Gospel, and it’s new.
      God help us form another disasterour, liberal like Paul VI… either Frank should procliam Catholic dogma…… not everyone is saaved,.. in fact most go to Hell because they either deny the Divinity of Christ = Muslms, Buddhists and Hindus, or those who are in a state of mortal sin, which is most of the rest from my experience.
      The only HOPE for man is Truth which is ONLY found in orthodox Catholicism, and the Traditional Mass.
      The lack of santifying grace both inside and outside the church, should be telling ALL these Post Vatican II popes that they have led the church off the rails.
      Pope Francis, who appears to the tge worst since Pius XII is NOT proclaiming the faith and dogma given to the church by his illustrious and faithful predecessors, which came through the guidance of the Holy Spirit..

    • Thales

      I am by no means an expert in any of these matters like the rest of the people here, I’m just an ‘outsider’ when it comes to it… But Francis seems like a person who merely advocates living life through love and peace, and let it sort itself out. In my opinion, battling those intrinsic evils pale in comparison to the good that can be done through living life by those standards. Sometimes you have to lose some to win some. I consider myself to not really have any direct relation to any line of religious thought – not even atheism; but if Catholicism continues to evolve in this trend I might actually consider converting.

    • Sharon

      Blessed Pope John Paul The Great and Cardinal Burke said we cannot speak enough against abortion. I would rather follow them than Francis any day. He is lax. Lax and sloppy in his treatment of the papacy and makes a joke of himself – what serious minded person is going to have regard to him? Only those who want to continue in sinful lifestyles will find in him what they are looking for.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    Melanie, you are being dishonest. Pro-lifer never said moral issues are the only issues in the church. Please show me one quote from a pro-life leader that says these are the only issues.

    The Pope said about homosexuals that “who am I to judge” then the Pope calls the cardinals in the Vatican a “leprosy” on the Church. That is not love that is telling homosexuals to go and sin some more and the Cardinals that they are less than human.

    We have to tell the truth and the truth is Pope Francis is the earthly head of the Church. We owe him our obedience but obedience does not mean silence when he is harming lives and souls.

    Francis said, and this is a direct quote: “Sin, even for those who have no faith, is when one goes against their conscience,” he added. “To listen and to obey to (one’s conscience) means to decide oneself in relation to what’s perceived as good and evil. And this decision is fundamental to determining the good or evil of our actions.”
    According to this statement every abortionist and every child molester in the world can decide for themselves what is good and evil.
    Is Francis a heritic, no he is the Pope. But being Pope does not stop him from confusing and harming countless souls.

    • melanie

      No, I think you misunderstand me. Of course Pro-lifers would never even think that moral issues are the only issues BUT sometimes if we become so focused on one program, one plan of action, we can neglect the inner life. I agree with everything WSquared has said.

      You misunderstand this pope… “Sin, even for those who have no faith, is when one goes against their conscience,” he added. “To listen and to obey to (one’s conscience). He is directly quoting St. Paul, NOT implying that every ill person can do what ever they want..you are jumping to conclusions, carrying his remarks and making extrapolations that the pope would not make. He would not tell a homosexual o go and sin some more, he is simply not throwing stones. I bet he wins more homosexuals for Christ and eventual inner healing by showing compassion than by painting them black.

      I think we have to look at this pope’s faith, his life,of prayer, the fruit of joy and heart, not jump on every questionable phrase .This pope is not precise when he speaks, it is off the cuff, because he has a missionary’s heart that changes how he speaks so that his listeners can understand. I think Pope Francis likes to “rock the boat”, “shake us up”,” get a rise out of us”, not so we attack him but rather to kick start us out of complacency and even worse self-righteousness, into action.

    • Maggie Sullivan

      Thank you for responding. I still think Pope Francis is doing a lot of harm.
      His “who am I to judge” is being used by many to justify sin.

      We have a few brave people defending marriage. They are attacked on all sides now they have the Pope belittling their efforts and his comments being used some to attack the efforts of those defending marriage.
      We have to remember his comments about some Catholics being “obssesed” by moral issues was made to a Jeusit magazine for Jesuits. We know the Jesuits are NOT obsessed these moral issues. Pope Francis sold pro-lifers down the river with this comment to impress his Jesuit friends and give them an excuse to continue to neglect these issues.

      Have you had a chance to look at this article.
      This really shows how sad and what a disservice the Pope is doing to life issues.

    • Sharon

      I agree. I have already read young people saying that they had some sins under control but since Francis said this they have become lax again. Francis is doing irreparable harm and that is why he is loved by the press and voted man of the year by homosexual publications. Wake up!

    • WSquared

      Agreed. Francis isn’t the kind of person who would justify someone’s sin, regardless of whatever anyone thinks he said. What he does is to get people back on the right track– wherein knowledge is implied on both sides that the person has sinned.

      As for what he said about homosexuals, he not only quoted what the Catechism says, but stated that if the person has turned to Christ, “who am I to judge?” He’s not talking about actions, which the Catechism already states are grave matter. He’s talking about their salvation and the state of their souls, in which he is in no position to judge.

      Peter Kreeft put it really well: the Catholic Church is best friend of homosexuals because she tells them that there are moral absolutes. When they sin against themselves, just as heterosexuals do, the Church says “no.” When others sin against them, she says “no,” also. In our culture, we know that enough “Christians” gay bash in the name of Jesus– they tell homosexuals that “Jesus hates f*gs,” and that “ain’t no homos in Heaven” and the like. What Francis is telling homosexuals is that the Church will go to bat for them– God loves them and that His grace is sufficient for their salvation. This is nothing less than what the Catechism says, and they deserve to know that.

    • melanie

      wow..a very articulate one word response, with a intense need to weep in relief for a church and a pope who love the “sinner” no the sin

    • tufty

      Excuse me melanie…..are you saying that “wow” is a very articulate one word response?
      I’ll have to remember that.
      Could “mom” work also?
      Melanie, are you drinking?

    • WSquared

      It’s a change in tactics, one that already began with Pope Benedict. The issue here is “if I do not have love, I have nothing.” Pope Francis is simply asking that in pursuit of the Truth, we do not sound like clashing gongs.

      When I grew up, I didn’t know the Church’s teaching on contraception, abortion, and homosexuality, and all I ever heard was all of these things over and over and over in a way that divorced them from their context. I always heard that these things were wrong, but precious little on why the Church taught that they were. It has everything to do with Caritas, love that is rooted in no less than the Truth of What Is. It’s not that Church teaching is wrong; it’s just that the beauty of it gets lost when these teachings become “issues” and ends in themselves that don’t point beyond themselves to a larger whole. Only when Pope Benedict stressed “friendship with Jesus Christ” and the intellectual and spiritual breadth, depth, and import of what it meant did any of it make sense– one need only read his interviews with Peter Seewald in this regard, whereby Benedict meets Seewald’s tough questions with why Catholicism is intellectually and spiritually viable.

      Someone who is broken by the culture and who bears deep, grave wounds does not need to be told “we love the sinner, hate the sin” off the bat. Especially not if the usual context in which they’ve heard it is some self-righteous Christian who is yapping at them about sin, but who is not telling them that God loves them, which is the only reason why talking about sin matters at all: sin is an absence of God; of Love. Once you know that God is Love and sin is an absence of Love, then the reason why talking about sin gives the other person a real choice and a fighting chance is that identifying something as sin is identifying what can be combated with Sacramental grace. Apart from the One who is Logos, Meaning, to assume that a sin is a sin because it is a sin is rather meaningless.

      While “love the sinner, hate the sin” is true, depending on the person and their wounds, that may only make sense later. Moreover, we need to be clear that the “hot-button issues” aren’t the only serious sins in existence. But they often seem as though they are if we keep talking about them all the time. That’s problematic, not because they don’t matter, but because we are in danger of narrowing our field of vision. They may make the news more frequently, but there are all sorts of different ways to choose to go to Hell. So if not those, then it would most assuredly be something else.

      Do we tell a homosexual or heterosexual who is desperately hurting that we “love the sinner, hate the sin,” or do we essentially say, in one way or another: “God loves you, and I love you. If you were Catholic, I’d tell you this; even if you’re not, I’m going to say it anyway: the Catholic faith is your first line of defense. The Church is there to tell you that you have a dignity that nobody can ever take away from you, and which she will help you discover if you let her help you. She means to build you up and help you stand your ground.”

      How we convey the essence of that will depend on the person. We have to be aware that we have a culture that is often cruel to everyone, period: it taunts homosexuals and heterosexuals, and everyone, period, that “nobody loves them” unless they’re in a romantic relationship or unless they’re buying lots of stuff. We also have a culture whose idea of “Christianity” is some version or other of “once saved, always saved,” as if everyone is St. Paul on the way to Damascus. But if one looks at the Crucifix, Catholicism reminds us that it’s allowed to be hard, although that’s not an invitation to treat every day as though it’s Good Friday.

      Pope Francis recently said that we all have a little bit of unbelief in us, whereby we are to pray “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief.” This is nothing less than what is under discussion in the first chapter of Ratzinger’s Introduction to Christianity, whereby he expounds on the very act of believing and what kind of act it is. The unbeliever is never completely free of the “what if it’s true?” that leads to belief, just as the believer is never completely free of doubt.

    • tufty

      Have you lost weight?

  • Maggie Sullivan
    • melanie

      I will read this- thank-you

    • tufty

      You’re welcome. Please come back.

  • http://catholicfamilyman.com/ Michael Gannotti

    Totally agree. I am amazed at the reaction by some Catholics and find their reactions to be a confirmation of just what the Pope has been saying. He has not said anything contrary to church teaching but rather continues to call us, to challenge us, to re-order our priorities as to how we approach things. I ended up posting about this as well in a short video http://catholicfamilyman.com/2013/10/11/pope-francis-speaks-people-freak-chill/

    • Sharon

      Unfortunately he has if you understand the Church’s teaching which many Catholic’s these days do not.

  • Katalina

    The problem here is that the pope has said many things that could be taken as not traditional Church teaching. Also a few Bishops and even Protestants are confused by him. Look at the way he contradicted Benedict with the FFI and the permission they have to have to say the Latin Mass. Benedict himself said according to the Huffington Post the action WOUNDED his Moto Proprio. Also five Italian Canon Lawyers said the act of the Pope was a GRAVE violation of their rites. Yet the Neo Cat Way get a free pass. I am sorry but to me this is a example of a hypocritical double standard.

    • WSquared

      I would be very careful to take HuffPo’s reporting on Benedict XVI with a grain of salt, especially if its sources don’t go beyond Sandro Magister and Rorate Caeli. There’s more to that story. Moreover, be careful of assuming that the measures regarding FFI are necessarily punitive, when it really has more to do with resolving internal problems specific to the group (rather than the availability of the EF per se):


      A fuller extent of what’s going on is here:


      If this is the case, then the problem is disentangling proper exercise of “Summorum Pontificum” within that specific order from internal politics within that order involving SSPX, which if not resolved, could hurt the Latin Mass all the more in the long run. Which would we rather have?

      The problem here is that the pope has said many things that could be taken as not traditional Church teaching.

      This has been a problem since the very beginnings of the Church, and even when Christ walked the earth. Else, His “Who do you say that I AM?” would be quite unnecessary. We all know that people who don’t understand Catholicism on its own terms will always misinterpret it, out of either profound ignorance or malice aforethought. Let’s not pretend this is anything new.

    • Sharon

      You need to look further than the Catholic World Report – three houses were closed down at Christmas and the lay people had nowhere to go. This is going to lead to people joining the SSPX. That is the problem. That is why Pope Benedict gave us Summorum Pontificum to prevent that happening. The SSPX already have 300 seminarians in training. That says a lot to me.

    • Sharon

      Francis has shown not any charity as far as I can see – only that that will get him favourable publicity. He wears a clown’s nose and behaves like a clown. He doesn’t want to be called Pope and accordingly I don’t see him as pope. I believe he will have a very short papacy because God will not allow him to interfere with any teachings of the Church. It has never happened before.

  • tufty

    I don’t know if you have read everything Francis has written, but these are a few of the heretical things Francis has said. He has openly stated these. He has implied more.
    We’ll start with these:1.There is no objective truth, that truth is whatever the individual decides it is. And following from this: 2. That each individual is entitled to determine, subjectively, what is good and evil, and 3. that no one can judge the objective morality of an act, and 4. that judging the morality of an act is in itself immoral 5. That all religions have a “gift” to share ie. there is no religion with the fullness of Truth, or taken to it’s natural conclusion, that all religions are equally valid or equally invalid. 6. That God is not transcendant until the end of the world. ie. God is not in heaven watching over the world. God is part of his creation. I’m not sure where Jesus is. At the end of the world God will transcend, and at that time everyone will be infused with the entirety of God. I’m not sure if individuality will be retained. This does away with Jesus. Redemption. Judgement. Heaven. Hell. Pretty much the entire Faith. 7. That Jesus did not come into the world to redeem us from sin. Jesus came into the world to show us how to live. 8. That God is whatever each person conceives Him to be, and each conception is as valid or invalid as the next. 9. That every person is “saved,” not “redeemed,” but “saved,” in other words….universal salvation. However, since there is no heaven or hell as we conceive of it, what difference does it make? 10. That doctrine evolves. That with a deeper understanding of a topic, a doctrine may change in meaning or become irrelevant or even erroneous, and be discarded or spin off into a slightly different doctrine. 11. That theology is the study of man. 12. That the spiritual works of mercy are not as valid or important as the corporal works of mercy. 13. That God favors the poor over the rich. 14. That God’s the covenant with the Jews is still in effect.

  • tufty

    Thank goodness you’re petite. I don’t think I could bear it if you weren’t. I wonder if you could fit into my son’s pants. Maybe not.

  • Anabelle Hazard

    I heart Pope Francis, too Melanie. He has me looking in the mirror for my own beams, that’s for sure. Great article!

    • melanie

      What a great gift; he challenges us to grow and mature in Christ

    • Sharon

      Rubbish – he has made a joke of the papacy with his clown noses and dreadful sermons.

  • jhmdeuce

    He is a heretic.

    • WSquared

      By what authority do you make this claim?

    • Guest

      “”Certainly such movements as these (non-atholic) cannot gain the approval of Catholics. They are founded upon the false opinions of those who say that, since all religions equally unfold and signify- though not in the same way – the native, inborn feeling in us all through which we are borne toward God and humbly recognize His rule, therefore, all religions are more or less good and praiseworthy. The followers of this theory are not only deceived and mistaken, but since they repudiate the true religion by attacking it in its very essence, they move step by step toward naturalism and atheism. Hence it clearly follows that anyone who gives assent to such theories and undertakings utterly abandons divinely revealed religion. ” Pius XI Mortalium Animos.
      That’s just one of hundreds of examples. The man is a modernist and sinece modernism is the “synthesis of ALL heresies,” he is a heretic.

    • jhmdeuce

      “Certainly such movements as these (non-catholic) cannot gain the approval of Catholics. They are founded upon the false opinions of those who say that, since all religions equally unfold and signify- though not in the same way – the native, inborn feeling in us all through which we are borne toward God and humbly recognize His rule, therefore, all religions are more or less good and praiseworthy. The followers of this theory are not only deceived and mistaken, but since they repudiate the true religion by attacking it in its very essence, they move step by step toward naturalism and atheism. Hence it clearly follows that anyone who gives assent to such theories and undertakings utterly abandons divinely revealed religion. ” Pius XI Mortalium Animos.
      That’s just one of hundreds of examples. The man is a modernist and since modernism is the “synthesis of ALL heresies,” he is a heretic and very dangerous.

  • Michelle Marvian

    I like this one, but I’m sorry to have cut off the author. Kudos to him.
    We are not baptized into the hierarchy; do not receive the cardinals sacramentally; will not spend an eternity in the beatific vision of the pope. Christ is the point. I, myself, admire the present pope, but even if I criticized him as harshly as some do, even if his successor proved to be as bad as some of those who have gone before, even if I find the Church, as I have to live with it, a pain in the neck, I should still say that nothing that a pope (or a priest) could do or say would make me wish to leave the Church, although I might well wish that they would leave.

  • Paul Gerard

    What an emotive, unsubstantiated article. When the VIcar of Christ fails to state that the Catholic Church, and her depository of teaching is the ONLY path of God – then yes ihe is a modernist.
    When the Pope says to Muslims, that their made-up Allah is worthy of honor – with all its errors and falsehoods- whch explicitly deny the divinity of Christ – then yes this pope is a modernist.
    When this pope fails to declare the truth of the Trinity by bestowing the Papal blessing at the commencement of his pontificate, for fear offending non-Cathoics – then yes he is a modernist.
    When this pope states that their is no Catholic God, thus all religions are tue and valid -that Christ and His church is the only road to salvation – then yes he is a modernist.
    When this pope DOES NOT clearly annunciate that sinners must repent and change their lives: gays, young promiscuous adults, single mothers and unmarried couples who beget children outside wedlock, divorcees who remarry, those who offer and use abortions: with comments likes who am I to judge? – then yes this pope is a modernist.
    There is a great tragedy occuring here, while people are yearning for spiritual truth because they have finally seen though the cultural wish-wash of the 1960′s and 1970′s – and what they receive is more modernist wish-wash from Rome- a new survey of what he suold beleive. We have that – it is called the Magestrium.
    This pope is a liberal modernist – the synthesis of all heresy.
    Liberals – like this pope – can’t offer the world clear definitive truth, clarity and orthodoxy in teaching, because they themselves are torn between the modern world with its false offerings and temptations, and the Divine truths given to the Catholic Church by God.
    We lost in Benedict, a champion of truth and orthodoxy, and in his place is a new liberal modernist: another round of devestastion like that casued by Paul VI.
    God help us.

    • WSquared

      Yet another reactionary comment that laps up the worst of what the media spins and takes it face value instead of looking at what was really said. God help us, indeed.

      He said “who am I to judge” in a very specific context: providing that the gay person has turned to Christ, whereby Christ’s grace is sufficient for that person. He expects to not have to repeat what the Catechism says, because he expects Catholics to be secure enough in their knowledge of it to be able to share the fullness of the Truth of the Catholic faith with gay people– and to do it without flinching and without watering things down. That some Catholics are not doing so is no excuse or reason for our not doing it.

      And what makes you so sure that if you endlessly bludgeon people with orthodoxy, they’ll want to embrace it? Catholic orthodoxy is a gift: we share gifts, we don’t beat people over the head with them. We live it actively instead of just talking about it or hiding behind it. Francis already acknowledges the grave sins of others; what he tries to do is get them on the right track instead of scolding them endlessly. Orthodoxy can always meet everyone where they are, because it’s always the “yes, but…” and it’s always “there’s more. Come and see.”

      I have gay friends who know what the Church teaches and why, because I told them, and because I have done my best to explain without watering anything down. They don’t agree with me, necessarily, but they’re respectful of the Catholic faith, even though they’re unsure as yet as to whether they could ever embrace it (in fact, one of them wishes that Catholics would have more respect for the Blessed Sacrament)– and since everyone is at a different place on the way of conversion, I have to be patient, and get out God’s way: I can’t change their minds and hearts, but He can, and I can keep praying for them. I have always done my best to tell them that God loves them, and that if they choose to take Him up on His invitation that I’m trying to do my best to extend, they will find out how much He does indeed love them; that if they let her, the Catholic Church will go to bat for them.

      That there is “no Catholic God” is quite a different story from “what Catholics mean by ‘God,’” and it most certainly does not mean that “all religions are valid.” God is not “your” God or “my” God, but God. Period: God is Being Itself, the sheer act of what it means to be. Catholicism has the fullness of the Truth, handed to us through the Church. Aspects of the truth are present in other traditions and religions, but they are not the fullness of the Truth. Big difference. Adherents of other religions are still redeemed and saved through, with, and in Jesus Christ, whether they realize or acknowledge it or not for the simple reason that Christ entered the world at a specific time in history to draw all men to Himself and into eternity. He is Lord of all time, and as alpha and omega, Lord of past, present, and future. Again, the state of someone’s soul– how much faith and where they are on the road to conversion is something God alone knows. There is no “Catholic God”; the Catholic Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, is the surest means to God, period. God does not “belong” to Catholics, much less anyone. But He’s given Catholics the surest means of salvation.

      With Francis people will hear what they want – rather than being instructed in what they need to save their souls.

      And with Benedict, people heard what they wanted, too: namely– “God’s Rottweiler,” “Hitler Youth,” “hardline conservative,” “Ratzi the Nazi,” and “Pedophile in Chief.” …and coming the other way: Liturgy, liturgy, liturgy, Latin Mass, Latin Mass, Latin Mass– and who gives a darn about anything else he wrote: Introduction to Christianity? Never heard of it. “Caritas in Veritate”? What’s that? “Lumen Fidei”? Can’t be bothered to read it, because I have no time– I spend most of my time blathering on the internet about how Pope Francis is a modernist heretic instead of seeing how so much of what Benedict taught– as well as how the Latin Mass– actually illuminates more clearly so much of what Francis has been saying.

      Supposing for the sake of argument you’re correct in that Francis is a “bad” pope– like the historic “bad Popes.” In the words of Joseph Ratzinger, the Holy Spirit stops things from being a complete disaster. We should already expect the media to say tons of crap about the Pope and about what Catholics believe and don’t believe from the get-go. So why are we picking up what they throw down?

      At the start of 2013, we had a champion of truth and orthodoxy

      Whom so many Catholics leaning either way on the “liberal”-”conservative” divide have not bothered to read before they bicker. Benedict was far more gentle and humble in his demeanor and words than so many of those who claim to be his supporters. And I include myself at my worst moments.

      This pope is reviving the WORST of modernist Vatican II double-speak,
      the conflicting statements and moral confusion – which ultimately
      changes truths to suit modernity.

      There is a difference between the “Spirit” of Vatican II, where the double-speak comes from, and reading Vatican II with a Christocentric focus– something that both John Paul II and Benedict spent a good deal of time on, and that I expected Latin Mass lovers especially to have picked up on by now in terms of how to join the dots, if they rightly believe that the focus on Christ is clearer in the Extraordinary Form. And it is. I’m not the first person to point that out. Fr. Z. has been exhorting, “read Francis through Benedict” for months.

      The devil must be rubbing his hands in glee!

      And when some Catholics uncritically accept everything the stupid media tells them because they would rather be “right” in believing the worst and watching the world burn, the devil has a belly ache as his sides split with laughter.

    • melanie

      astute, wise comment filled with common sense

    • Sharon

      Spoken like a true liberal – a dying breed in the Church.

  • Graham Reader

    Another heretic spreading her evil apostasy on the Internet. Of course Pope Francis is a modern-day heretic. Excusing him of this is a great sin against God, whose word is eternal and his teachings divine. God does not bend to change, but humans will do ANYTHING to excuse Sin, Heresy, Apostasy in their hearts. Where is your Compassion? Your Christian Charity? it is in ORTHODOXY of Faith and Morals. Sadly, Pope Francis does not know what Orthodoxy is about… he is too busy prioritizing the needs of the body, but you CANNOT save the Body. ONLY the Soul! All men will die but their Salvation through the Church and her eternal teachings is what matters as Christ himself said to Emmaus. God bless the people who read this article and are fooled by modern day apostasy espoused by this cancerous author.

  • Graham Reader

    It is so sickening and disheartening that Fake Catholics will divorce from the doctrine of the Church to suit their heretical and sinful ways. I suppose we are all humans, and are all imperfect and come short from the grace of God. But to sacrifice the eternal truths of our Faith handed down by Our Blessed Lord to catch with the World whom the Son of Man himself despised is really mind-blowing. Even the Devil knows how to divide and conquer just as he was condemned to live among men after the Great Fall from Heaven. But of course Pope Francis cares nothing about any of these, he’s too worried about the soup kitchen and the economy while Putin makes him wait 35 minutes to his own Papal Audience. And the worse part is that Catholics LOVE this Pope because for once he doesn’t burden them with Doctrine? What will Miley Cyrus and Kim Kardashian think. God help America for being this disobedient. I’m sure Our Lady of Fatima knew best when she told Lucia the great pains of Hell when people disobey her Son as the demons rejoice because Catholics NO LONGER believe in the Supremacy on their religion. Cheers to you, Ms. Kumbaya. Give my regards to the Son of Perdition. AUTO DA FE.

    • james

      You sound like Cotton Mather at the Salem witch trials.

    • Graham Reader

      Thanks but I do not support Heresy or Apostasy you selfish hypocrite.

    • james

      I think an initial dose of 1.0 mg Ativan followed by .5 mg BID X
      5 days should give some relief after which we could taper you
      back to baseline to see if your explosive disorder is situational
      or clinically based.

    • Graham Reader

      Nice try. Would you like a nitroglycerin stat to tell me what I already know. Your angina is skyrocketing, I’m sure. Now go back to taking your Percocet, just make sure you stay PRN, cupcake.

    • Sharon

      You are no doubt one of the last of the aging hippies of the Vatican II era – 10 years will see the last of you out of the Church and then we will see a true rebuild. Deo gratias!

    • james

      Yes ma’am, you are right about the aging but what you might
      not see is the possibility that the very small number of ultra
      right faithful may incept enough ire at this chosen vicar of Christ so as to cause a schism – with you being on the outside
      looking in.

  • paulinpittsburgh

    The reason many are calling him a heretic is much more simple to identify; they’re doing so because many of his comments not only flatly contradict church teaching, they’re far to similar to those expressed by proponent of ideas already declared to be Heresies.

    Comments like those stating that atheists can enter heaven through good works, that communism can be found in the teachings of social justice, that secular governments have an obligation to provide all their citizens with housing, medical care, education and other material possessions and his statement that seeking the conversion of non-beleivers is “silly.”

    The are not merely ill-considered comments from a man in his position, they are diametrically opposed to church teachings. They are the words and beliefs of many a Catholic before him, from Liberation Theologists to Gnostic and many others, previously examined by the church and found to be Heresies.

    • james

      It is so satisfying to see Trads like yourself squirm under the
      pontificate of someone guided by the Holy Spirit

    • paulinpittsburgh

      Consider; if I’m/we’re right and you’re wrong you might just have committed the only unforgivable sin.

      See the road this man is leading you down?

    • james

      Paradign shifts are always hard to grasp never mind integrate
      into a lifetime of ritual belief. Did you call JP II a heritic when he
      put the statue of Buddah on the altar at Assisi ? Are you afraid
      that Francis will ask you to roll uip your sleeve and symbolicaly wash somones feet. Are you an open or closet ecumenical
      paranoid who abhors change ? Do you not meet someone where they are at or reject them because they are not where
      you are ? What in God’s name do you think the CC will be like on the eve of 2414 ? This road goes on forever and always
      comes out in the same place .. then moves up another power
      of 1 so as to encompass more of the world in its embrace. Anyway, Merry Christmas, at least we can agree on that.

    • paulinpittsburgh

      God does not change my friend. Paradigms are the creations of arrogant little men and they shift beneath your feet like the sands upon which your beliefs are built.

      I worry about no such things, but you attributing possible heresies the holy spirit … *tsk**tsk*

      Such is the arrogance of men who think they know better than god. The arrogance of the radical left who thinks they know better than everyone.

    • Sharon

      Why don’t you find a good Protestant Church down the road where things are more to your liking. Face facts, Francis will not be able to make the changes that you would like because we have had priests formed for 30 years under Blessed John Paul II the Great and Pope Benedict and none of them are going to give you the protestant faith you are obviously yearning for. That is the reality my friend. You will be squirming for the next 30 years.

    • james

      So you think the next pope will be the antithesis of Francis ?
      Benedict abdicated to someone who will lead US into a new
      age of understanding. The blind discipline you so desperately crave is not shared by many who left, who have now stopped in
      their tracks to look back, like the prodigal son. overjoyed to see
      the Father -waving – inviting him home. You radical rights are
      the sullen brother aboring the mercy, not content to know that
      it could have very easily – but for the grace of God – been you.

    • Chris

      You enjoy seeing people squirm? Now there is a Christian attitude for you.

      I do not believe this Pope (or the last one) is guided in any way by the Holy Spirit. He is guided, certainly, but Francis has a political agenda, not a spiritual one. If he goes on the way he is we will see the crescent moon over the Vatican. Perhaps then, Francis will be pleased. I suspect he will be less-so, when his new masters have torn down every cross, and smashed every statue, abolished Easter and Christmas and are flogging women in St Peter’s Square. Pope Francis is not worthy to hold safe the teachings and traditions of the Church- he is an appeaser, and sadly, we will see and have to bear the cost of his beliefs.

      It has been said for some decades that the anti-christ will become Pope – I really feel it has happened.

      But, anyway, you go on sneering at people who are daring to think for themselves. When we have no priests left, and ever fewer churches, you can thank the Pope.

    • james

      Chris, just because you see a return to the Coliseum doesn’t
      mean that we are anywhere on that plane again. Face it, you
      are a fundamentalist looking to put the rest of us in hair shirts.

    • Sharon

      We are looking to be Catholics in a Catholic church not a bunch of protestants as people like you would like the Church to become.

    • Sharon

      Unfortunately, I believe that he is at least a black Pope. He is certainly not guided by the Holy Spirit – he is of the world and the praised by the world. He is far from humble and ringing people on the phone, etc, appears to be only publicity seeking for himself. What was said about him by Catholics from Argentina when he was first elected is starting to turn out to be true. He is described as tyrannical behind closed doors and the treatment of the Franciscans of the Immaculate bears that out. Three houses closed at Christmas with no Mass for the faithful to attend. How charitable is that? He has criticised traditionals since his election. How charitable is that? He has said that nuns should not be like old maids. How charitable is that? There is no genuine charity that I see in him at all.

    • Chris

      Yes, Yes. All very interesting – back to the message of Christ.


      Yet the Holy Father still denies the salvation of the eucharist to Catholics who have divorced and remarried – even if they did so before becoming Catholics.All God’s children eh? Except some are moreso than others. Now, we hear the Pope tell us all religions are valid – even those that seek to destroy Christianity and every expression of it. Jesus, you may recall, admitted the prostitute into his close circle of friends. No preconditions. He accepted the adulteress. He came to earth to embrace the sinner – not to segregate.

      The Pope even threatens us with excommunication should we hold views on mass immigration that are anything less than “open door”. If we so much as question, we are told, the Pope holds in reserve the threat of excommunication. Perhaps when the Vatican is robbed (repeatedly as I have been) by itinerant EU migrants he may change his tune a little.

      His latest ill-informed, anti-church teachings rant has made my decision for me. I cannot and will not be a second-class Catholic – allowed to attend Mass, but forbidden to accept the Eucharist – While I remain devoted to Christ, his Blessed Mother and the message of Christ, I can no longer call myself Catholic.

      I also cannot accept the thought of a known Nazi sympethiser being made a Saint.

      I am content to let God judge me upon my death on how I have lived. It is, after all, God who is head of the Church and who sits in final judgment on my soul, not merely his spokesperson here on Earth.

      I have attended my last Mass – I would never have thought it would be a Pope who brought this about.

    • WSquared

      Yet the Holy Father still denies the salvation of the eucharist to
      Catholics who have divorced and remarried – even if they did so before becoming Catholics.

      If you were Sacramentally married outside of the Catholic Church, then you will need to seek an annulment. If you had a civil union and it was never Sacramental, that’s different. See if you can talk to a good, solid, knowledgeable priest on this one who can help you, who will walk with you through what is obviously a time of trial, and who would obviously know more about this than the likes of me. For something as important and as gut-wrenching as this, it’s also best to stay the heck away from a bunch of people ranting on the internet.

      The Holy Father is not denying anyone the salvation of the Eucharist– not since attempting to receive the Eucharist while one’s situation is not yet regularized, and not since receiving the Eucharist unworthily would act to one’s condemnation, not salvation. If the Holy Father said, “go on ahead,” then that would place your soul in mortal peril, actually.

  • Matthew

    Who is he to judge capitalists?

  • David Brainerd

    This pope is a heretic, and so are you.

    • james

      Better a heritic than a theo-Neandethal like you.

    • David Brainerd

      Does your mom know you’re talking about her online?

  • Sharon

    This Pope has made a mockery of the papacy wearing clown noses, having rosary beads flung at him and dangling from his ear.

    • james

      Has the press reported this show ?

  • Brian

    “Many pro-lifers are so focused on one issue that they have forgotten who they are as believers, as children of God, brothers and sisters of Christ, companions of the Holy Spirit.”
    With respect, who are you to judge the state of the soul of “many” pro-lifers? Are you speaking of people actively working as an activist, or working in a crisis-pregnancy center, or for healing ministries? Or just commenters? For those who work fulltime or those who volunteer, or those who pray every day against abortion, how do we know that they haven’t been called to this specific task by our Lord? Would you say that someone who has been called to another ministry, such as to the homeless, or a theologian, or a professor has forgotten who they are because they are so focused on one issue – whatever their calling is? I think the idea of charism or mission applies to prolifers as well as any other calling in life. I’m sure “some” prolifers have forgotten…, but I see no reason to judge that prolifers are any more susceptible to losing their first love than those called to performing sacred music, or being a family counselor, or a parish priest, or Franciscan sister serving the poor.

  • Sixtus_Maximus

    There is the Teachings of the Holy Roman Catholic Church it is called Tradition which defends the Holy Church with what is called dogmas from past Popes with full accordance of the Holy Spirit. When a Pope goes against dogmas of the Church it, the mystical body of the Church raises concern it is spiritual and supernatural. The Church has the Church approved apperations of Our Lady of Fatima and Our Lady of La Salette which have prophecized these days would eventually come. A Pope resigning in moment of crises in the Holy Church. Unprecedented to say the least. Pope Benedict a conservative defender of the Holy Church! Very vocal in keeping with Tradition and starting to reform the reforms of Vatican II. Then the Election of a Pope who is opposite of Pope Benedict, completely changing the Congregation of Bishops with more extreme liberal and modernist mindset. Then the most outrageous comments said by a Pope ever! So of course a lot of Catholics are concerned and even scared where this Pope is leading the Church which so far is Confusion and is showing no leadership in changing the Homosexual Agenda interms of Priests and Religious. How to deal with Abortion and those Catholics that support it! Women Priests seem to be opportune especially after a close aide in the Popes circle Cardinal O’Malley gets anointed by a United Methodist Priestess which again is unprecident in the history of the Holy Church! The Smoke of Satan has filled the Church and God have mercy on us!

  • cowboytx1

    The Church’s One Foundation id Jesus Christ Our Lord.

    • melanie

      exactly my point

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  • AugustineThomas

    Perhaps we’re turned off by how he encourages demons like you to sow discord in the Church.
    This is surely a satanic wind.. There have been popes who have supported heresy before. Pope Francis isn’t the first.
    God give us a new, orthodox pope again soon!

    • melanie

      You do not know my life in Christ enough to label me a demon. My opinion differs from yours but my spiritiual director, confessor and friends who are priests, as well as the witness of the Spirit of Christ within me assure me that I beong to Him. My greatest joy is the simplicity of discovering new life as I surrender daily to Him. Please express differences without inflamatory accusations which are not based on fact which just serve to rip apartt the Body of Christ

    • AugustineThomas

      Demon may have been too strong. Heretic would have been better.

    • melanie

      Heretic sounds much better than demon but I try to be faithful to the Magisterium. Perhaps we both need to pray and wait before acting as jury and judge to the pope.?
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    • AugustineThomas

      As soon as the pope stops supporting heretics and apostates while persecuting the orthodox!
      You should ask yourself what decent pope would terrorize and harass the most committed members of his own flock.

    • melanie

      ? examples ? and please, not examples taken out of context or distorted by the press. It is easy to dig up dirt when you want to find it while ignoring evrything that is good and sound

    • AugustineThomas

      He says that people who attend the proper Mass are simply addicted to a fad.
      He’s a Jesuit so he spends most of his time talking about humble and righteous he is and must have never had time to discover that his Mass, full of heretics, is fifty years old and the proper Mass, full of orthodox families, is fifteen hundred.
      We’re not going to win the culture back by watering down our Mass and making it Protestant. People become Catholic most often because they love the Tradition.

    • melanie

      You love the Latin Mass and you love tradition and that is beautiful but it is not tradition that saves people’s souls. Jesus is the only Redeemer. What brings people to the Holy Roman Catholic Church is Christ Himself, Mary and love for the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.

      The pope is simply differentating between tradtion or culture and basic core tenets of the faith. In your angry indignation that you are right and the pope is wrong, you are throwing stones. As Jesus said,
      “You who have not sinned, you throw the first stone”.

      Please, PRAYERFULLY, without reacting in anger, consider this statement by Jean Vanier, Canadian founder of L’Arche communities for the mentally challenged,
      “You can be right. You can be dead right and bring death to all those around you.”

    • AugustineThomas

      The best way to Jesus is to worship him how Catholics have since the beginning, not to create a completely different heretical Mass and then have the gall to tell everyone else it’s them who is addicted to a fad.

      The Pope is acting like a disrespectful little child towards people who attend the proper Mass because he’s embarrassed of his heresy and all his rambling nonsense. You can tell he’s got something against Pope BXVI for being so much holier and smarter.

      You can be wrong and bring death to all those around you as well.

      God bless you and God bless Pope Francis (that he starts acting like a pope and not a heretical Jesuit)!

    • melanie

      If we both stick to your last statement which prays blessings rather than curses on all of us then we leave all in the hands of God the Father, trusting in God to sort it all out. Love not hate or anger triumphs, changes hearts.

    • AugustineThomas

      Thanks Melanie!

      Do you ever think though, that perhaps you should seek to learn from people rather than pretend to always be teaching them? (Have you noticed that a lot of Novus Ordo Catholics seem to think they know everything and insult people who attend the proper Mass by suggesting that they know their psychology and it must be some personal insecurity that makes them not want to come snatch at our Lord at Novus Ordo?)

    • melanie

      good point- I would love to learn from you because I am sure you have a wealth of experiences and information .You could send me life your experiences, reflections, insights and facts on tradition. You see I converted 39 years ago when Mary revealed herself to me when my Protestant mind was horrified and I felt that it was Catholics who were the heretics..so funny now! The only thing I am reacting to negatively is your anger and negative name calling because it is like a wall around your heart. I would love to hear your heart and feel honoured to learn from you. Not sure how best to give you my contact info. I need to ask technologically smart people the best way