The End of the Papist Cult: What Pope Francis is Teaching Faithful Catholics

| 08-26-AD2013 | [75]

David L. Gray - Papist Cult

Back in July (2013) Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia was responsible for more than a few headlines in the Catholic blogosphere, when he mentioned in an interview in Rio de Janeiro during World Youth Day that the right-wing of the Catholic church were “generally not happy” about Pope Francis’ election. “He’ll have to care for them, too, so it will be interesting to see how all this works out in the long run.”

It probably goes without saying that Chaput was including himself in that number of pick your descriptor here [right-wing/conservative/faithful/natural/non-Orthodox orthodox] Catholics who were not happy about the first few months of Pope Francis’ papacy, and needed to be taken care of, and there is nothing wrong about that. I have deep fondness for Archbishop Chaput and his approach toward the public and interior expression of our faith. Yet, I have to disagree with him here.

It is becoming very clear to us all that Pope Francis is a ‘back to basics’ type of Pope. As I discussed in my article The New Papal Diet – From Benedict Steak to Francis Milk obviously that is what the Holy Spirit believes that the universal Church needs most at this moment, and as time goes on I think we will all be able to see more of the picture that the Spirit of God is painting with the hands of Francis. Indeed, within that painting is the reformation that our new Pope is inspiring within the minds of (right-wing/conservative/faithful/natural/non-Orthodox orthodox) Catholics.

I noticed this reformation in myself the other day when someone on my Facebook wall was talking about how we need to love homosexuals (duh), by prefacing it with “as Pope Francis said”. In response to him I said, “Regardless of what Pope Francis said, what the Church teaches is that [insert the Church's teaching on homosexuality from the Catechism here].” I couldn’t believe what I had just typed. I never would have said such a thing during the Papacy Benedict XVI. Even though I converted to the faith in 2006, from what I read of Pope John Paul II, I could not imagine I would have said such a thing during his tenure either. What happened to me I wondered, and then I realized it … I … I am no longer a member of the Papist Cult. I … I … I’m just a Catholic.

There, I said it! It was neither fierce or extravagant, but I had come out of the closet finally nonetheless.

I believe that it is absolutely true, that, rather than wait to see if Pope Francis will validate and affirm us as Popes in the past have, let us embrace what he is teaching. What our Pope is teaching (right-wing/conservative/faithful/natural/non-Orthodox orthodox) Catholics is that our faith is not about who the Bishop of Rome is, that our faith is not grounded in who sits behind the bulletproof glass of the popemobile, that it is okay if we don’t look forward to the general audience speeches anymore, that Catholicism isn’t a personality cult. Pope Francis is teaching us (right-wing/conservative/faithful/natural/non-Orthodox orthodox) Catholics that we don’t need a champion in Rome to front-load our causes, that it’s okay to put on our big-boy pants and big-girl dresses and bring awareness to our agenda ourselves, even as we tweak our message in union with his ‘back to basics’ approach to our Lord’s teachings.

Yes, we are waking up to realize that we have been spoiled for a long time. No longer can we ride on the coattails of the Pope, or hide behind his words. We have been set free from the Papist Cult. In contrast, the (left-wing/liberal/borderline-heretical/non-Orthodox non-orthodox) Catholics haven’t had a champion in Rome for so long that they are grasping at imitation straws to make Pope Francis their own, just as they have tried to claim Vatican II as their personal license to reinterpret the articulation of the faith.

Therefore, let us not wait and see if we still have a table in the Papist Cult, but, rather, let us embrace this moment to be the laity that Vatican II has called us to be.

For we must all “practice the truth in love, and so grow up in all things in Him who is head, Christ. For from Him the whole body, being closely joined and knit together through every joint of the system, according to the functioning in due measure of each single part, derives its increase to the building up of itself in love” (Lumen Gentium §30).

About the Author:

David L. Gray is a Catholic author, radio host, and founder of DavidLGray.INFO Inc., where he blogs at regularly; giving his fresh Catholic perspective on all things relevant and interesting. DavidLGray.INFO Inc. is a ministry that is consecrated to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. "My calling from God is to the John the Baptist Ministry; meaning that I’m here to live in truth, through word and action, and point people to Christ Jesus through the lenses of the Catholic Church." David is a part-time Disneyland dad and full-time father to three beautiful daughters, an ecstatic 2006 Catholic convert, an indifferent 1997 graduate of Central State University, a proud 2002 dropout of Antioch McGregor Graduate School, and a mild mannered graduate student at Franciscan University of Steubenville; working towards a Master of Arts Degree in Theology and Christian Ministry.
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  • rose morgan

    I do like your page and follow you when I have time. Keep up the good work.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Thank you Rose!

  • james

    How refreshing. Finally, a convert who knows how to be Catholic.

  • dancingcrane

    Still amazed at how anyone can be Catholic and not already know all this. I am an adult convert, and I came into the Church knowing this. What Papal cult? I have loved all the Popes, and have not seen a break in theological continuity yet, just a difference in presentation.Maybe that’s why I’m among the Eastern Catholics now. Seeing the whole Church from the perspective of the Ancient Fathers, is a sure rudder when the Barque of Peter gets into the choppy water.

    • Marty

      Good, I do not rely totally on the pope either.That is why I attend the fssp where I can have what I chose in 1963. I am happy there and if this pope kicks out the fssp because we are too conservative, then I will go over to the sspx where i can continue what I loved when I joined the church. If the eastern rites can keep their lovely liturgical practices, then we western trads should be able to have ours. We do now but if it is taken away, I will follow the Mass. After all, i am not in a papal cult but a universal church so we have our rites, too.

    • dancingcrane

      You seem to have misunderstood me a little. I went East in order to avoid the legalism and ‘only our way is right’ attitude of both liberals and western Trads. You seem almost eager to be kicked out, so that you can point a wagging finger at another ‘bad pope’. You seem to be as ready to be disloyal as any liberal. I’m grieved to see the Church divided into Pharisees and Sadducees, and try simply to humbly pray for the Oneness Christ prayed for.

    • P. McCoy

      Eastern Catholics are Orthodox wannabes in false sheep’s clothing who started their religions by the use of violence and deceit. They want to take over the. Ukraine and started the takeover when that Archbishop declared himself to be a Patriarch for Ukrainian Greek Catholics and consecrated that. Cathedral in Kiev placing the so called relics of that rank murderer and defiled of. Orthodox Christian believers bodies, the odious Josephat Kunseivich. Right in the heart of where Sts. Equal to the Apostles Olga and Vladimir chose Orthodoxy, not the Latin church, not some fraud created in Best 4 centuries later, but Greek Orthodox Christianity. If the Orthodox had been wise they would have confiscated that unholy place and put that double talking Archbishop behind bars.

  • Mary Ann

    That is so true. It seems that so many of us wait for the right papal encyclicals or pronouncements before we feel confident enough to actually act Catholic in our culture. Papal letters are meant to reinforce how we already should be living, no matter which pope writes them. I think Pope Francis, in his less theologically eloquent way, is leading more by example, and almost telling us that it’s time to put aside all the reading and start the doing. The Holy Spirit is desperately trying to stir up the flame of our faith into a strong blaze.

  • vince bugeja

    There are a whole slew of religions, some of them very close to Catholicism, who practice without a pope. Instead of changing our Church, why not join one that fits your philosophy?

    • enness

      Did you read the piece at all, or did you have your opinion formed already the moment you saw the headline?

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  • Scott

    Excellent article! Thank you.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Thank you Scott! You are welcome!

  • Cassandra

    “what the Holy Spirit believes that the universal Church needs most at this moment”

    You have no basis for making this statement. Contrary to the sentimentality of badly catechized Catholics, the Holy Spirit does not pick popes. The Cardinals pick popes. Maybe they pick the one the Holy Spirit desires; maybe they don’t. Unless you are claiming authentic direct private revelation from God (which should be submitted to the Church for judgment), you and everyone else have no idea whether the Holy Spirit desired this man to be pope. He’s still pope regardless.

    To make this demonstrably clear, the very fact that conclaves take more than one unanimous vote illustrates that at least some cardinals are not docile to the Holy Spirit. It would be blasphemy to suggest that the Holy Spirit is suggesting one man to some cardinals, and another man to others, because the Holy Spirit would then have to lying to some of the cardinals.

    From Bernardino Fernández de Velasco y Pimentel, Duke of Frías:
    [Saint Teresa of Avila] wished for, and asked God in the fervor of her
    prayers, that as Provincial of Religion [her religious order] be chosen a
    man of high virtues, and learned, whom she loved [her confessor, the
    Venerable Jerónimo Gracián Dantisco, greatly esteemed by her]. The
    Chapter assembled, and another one was chosen. The Saint, with her usual
    humility, begged the Lord to forgive her if she had erred in that
    request. His Majesty answered her: “My Teresa, it is certain that what you asked for was what suited best; but the Friars do not want what suits best.”
    (http://www.rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-chapter-assembled-and-another-one.html)

    • http://stacytrasancos.com/ Stacy Trasancos

      Cassandra, there’s a decidedly uncharitable tone in your comment. Your second paragraph seems wrong. Different cardinals could discern differently for reasons you could never know.

      As for that quote, the verb convenir translates “to be agreeable”, “to be suitable”. Someone added in the word “best” it seems, as it’s not in the original. I question the accuracy of that translation, it more seems to be saying that our prayers aren’t always answered with what we find most agreeable/suitable. Do you know who the translator is? I’m curious.

      I sure hope you are not suggesting that Pope Francis is the work of cardinals picking badly because they all refused to follow the Holy Spirit’s guidance.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Well …. I suppose one is free to deny that hypostatic reality of the Church being both divine and human, or that the Church is not the Temple of the Holy Spirit, or that the grace of God lacks the pervasive ability to conform the minds of those In Christ to do the will of God on earth as it is in Heaven. Those are things that I do not deny, but I do think it is very odd that you would claim that I have no basis for my claim, when you yourself have even less of a claim to any real basis from Scripture or Tradition.

      St. Augustine of Hippo, in one of his sermons (circa: 391 to 430 C.E.):
      “What the soul is to man’s body, the Holy Spirit is to the Body of Christ, which is
      the Church. The holy Spirit does in the whole Church what the soul does in all the members of one body.“

  • enness

    “It probably goes without saying that Chaput was including himself in that number”

    No, it doesn’t go without saying.

    Chaput said “them,” not “us.”

    Wouldn’t you agree that words mean something?

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      I’m open to error in that statement – as I said, “It probably goes without saying…..” I didn’t say “It goes without saying.” But the reason why it probably goes without saying is not because Chaput didn’t openly take a side in saying ‘us’, rather it is because we have always felt he is one of ‘us’ based upon his actions and words.

  • dom

    David this is amazingly insightful. Vatican II and the post-council history can be re-thought as a kind of dark night of the senses for many, and if this is true we are now ready to grow up!

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Thanks Dom. That’s an interesting perspective. I agree that the liberalization of the faith can bring about a sensual detachment from the divine. We see that in Protestantism and those places where the Church expresses itself as being Protestant. Good point!

  • AugustineThomas

    ” As I discussed in my article The New Papal Diet – From Benedict Steak to Francis Milk obviously that is what the Holy Spirit believes that the universal Church needs most at this moment,..”

    You seem rather certain that you know the Holy Spirit’s “beliefs”.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Mr. Thomas I am totally lost in regards to your comment. You led in with two “You seem” statements. Why conjecture? Why not more substantive rebuttal points? Conjecture is no way to start a meaningful discussion.

      Do I think the Holy Spirit picked bad Popes? Again conjecture. Where did you get the idea that I believe that the Holy Spirit alone picks Popes? Then you call Pope Francis less wise than the past two Popes? Huh? Why would you say that?

      I do agree with your last statement. Bless our Popes.

    • Mara319

      Yes, David, the Holy Spirit CAN pick bad Popes. I’m not saying that Pope Francis is one of them; that remains to be seen.
      But when the Holy Spirit does (as in the case of Pope Alexander VI and the two or three Popes after Pope Formoso in a very distant past. Don’t ask the well-respected Catholic philospher Alice van Hildebrand about Pope Paul VI, and you’ll cringe, yet she does not blame the Holy Spirit for choosing him as Pope in the turbulent ’70′s.)
      I think it’s because the Holy Spirit gives a particular Pope as medicine for a particular troubled time. The only guarantee is our Lord’s promise that no matter what happens (no matter how bad the Pope is), Christ will not leave us orphaned.
      Medicine can be bitter – it can make you sicker or cure you of the disease – that may be the litmus test the Holy Spirit lays out for the faith of people of a particular period. If you love Christ and His Bride the Church, you stick it out as a Catholic no matter what kind of Pope there is. The Church’s main teachings do not change.
      I love Archbishop Chaput. He has his fingers on the pulse of the faithful and was brave enough to say what he sees. Others would just sugar-coat the state of affairs and think they’re being nice. God bless Archbishop Chaput.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      But the question is now posed to you as well – Why do you believe that the Holy Spirit ALONE picks Popes? Focus is on the word ALONE. If it is the Holy Spirit ALONE that picks Popes, then it should have been the Holy Spirit ALONE that wrote sacred Scripture.

    • Mara319

      Dear David,

      I didn’t say the Holy Spirit ALONE picks the Pope.  I thought it went without saying that He does it through the Cardinals in the conclave, so I went without saying.
      About the Bible .  The Holy Spirit used men – and the words of men – to write it down.  Albeit inadequately, since humans can never adequately set down into human words God’s very own thoughts.  And that’s why the Holy Spirit provides the inspiration and guidance  - through Holy Mother Church – in its interpretation and application throughout the ages.
      That difference between the Bible and Islam’s Koran is critical to understand.  According to Islam, Mohammed wrote down the Koran as dictated by an angel  -  the message from God, word-for-word.  Meaning, there i s no room in the Koran  for human interpretation .  Therefore everything must be done as written, or you perish.
      Whereas with the Bible, God shows his love for humans by enlisting their cooperation in spreading the word of God.
      God bless.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Thank you for clarifying Mara. I just get confused when people say that the Holy Spirit picks Popes; as if He possesses each cardinal to do His bidding, or as He manifest Himself visible in the conclave and tells everyone how to vote. LOL

    • AugustineThomas

      My apologies.

      You’ve started an extremely interesting discussion here.

      Keep up the good work!

      God bless you sir!

  • ColdStanding

    Jesus Christ is still our King, and the Pope his vicar and visible head on earth. You’d be deigning, at the very least (some least!), the Gospel according to St. John to say that Christ is not King. Oh, I realize you are not, per say, saying or going as far as that, but to reduce the reverence and honor paid to the Pope, is to reduce the reverence and honor due to our King, Jesus Christ. The Catholic understanding of cult is what matters here. The Papal cultus, and Catholic Christianity the religion of truth, is the true worship due something greatly valued by Our Lord and Savior.

    It looks to me like you are trying to do a dodge on the Pope and go straight to Jesus Christ. I catch a whiff of the old visible vs. invisible church line of justification from days of yore. There is no Roman Catholic Church without the Pope, even if the Pope isn’t so keen on being Pope or resents being constrained by the historical weight of the office. Simply put, we may go through a time of indifferent, bad, good, or stellar occupants of the Papal Chair, but that office will, time and time again reassert itself. If not now, then soon, and the cultus that goes with it.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Oh my goodness. I’m use to writing one thing, but an occasional reader thinking I wrote a completely different thing, but never like this. Wow! Sometimes we just need to receive what was written, than receive what was not written. o_O

    • ColdStanding

      Well, tit for tat, then, eh? I found it truly bizarre that you’d use homosexual outing memes as a means of explaining your, umm, ah…

      I really have no idea what you are trying to explain. It’s just nonsense.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      You’re right, homosexuals own that figure of speech, as well as civil rights and the rainbow. I should have never tried to clean up a dirty pool.

    • ColdStanding

      Nice. And mea culpa, I do have an unfortunate tendency towards eccentricity coupled with occasional bouts of low wattage in the lighthouse.

    • james

      You should try using the term ‘gay’ as Francis did. Feel
      free to add a liberal amount of condescension so we don’t
      get confused about your disapproval.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      ROFL :D

  • Jakie

    The media made it look like Pope Francis was for homosexual acts but if you read the whole transcript you will see that that is not the case. Yet again the secular media got religion wrong.

    • James Watdapak

      Pope Francis message is just simple “live in humility”

  • Jakie

    I don’t think you mean it like this but F.Y.I. Church law excommunicates formal schismatics. Schism is the rejection of the papacy. http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/heresy_schism_apostasy.htm

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Thanks Jakie. The only thing I meant is 100% what I wrote. Catholicism is not a personality cult. We don’t have to wait on the Pope to be Catholic. Be Catholic!

  • Jean Spearing

    I am an orthodox Catholic and I have two things to say, the first in defense of the unhappy orthodox Catholics. The reason for our unhappiness is our experience in the trenches of this cultural war and the realization that the enemy is always prowling and looking for someone to devour. Another way to say it is this: we are suffering the loss of children and grandchildren, spouses and friends to the doctrines of the atheists, new agers, relativists, politicians, anti-life child killers, and even hostile protestantism printing the most horrible untruths about the Church. We FEEL we are losing the war and the wounds are very deep. Furthermore, we are marginalized and laughed at or labeled as haters when we defend the Church and in some countries even criminalized for our stand on moral issues, while most of the bishops and priests in the world stay safe and say nothing. Then along comes a Pope whose words and actions are taken out of context by the very same groups who have taken our children’ souls away and you wonder why we aren’t so fond of him? I don’t have anything against this Pope or his personal style, but I do expect him to recognize the damage he is doing to our cause back home here in the trenches. The slightest mistake on his part can cause unimaginable suffering in a family divided by these issues. Having said that, I do recognize that there are two vital aspects of the Catholic faith. One is adherence to Truth and the other is living a life consistent with that Truth. This Pope is striving and emphasizing the latter in an obvious authentic way, but seems completely unaware of the effects of his actions/words on the everyday man’s efforts to defend Truth, which you might notice is viciously under attack. So, all I can say is I am striving – as a conscientious Catholic – to follow the Pope’s lead in living a life of charity while at the same time battling against the impulse to resent him for not affirming in definitive terms the valid teachings of the Church. This is a sad state to be in.

    • james

      Sounds like we need a Vatican Council to reclaify things – three’s the charm.

    • Jean Spearing

      Well I would be satisfied with one well-timed comment by the Pope in favor of one or more of the most contested doctrines of our day.

    • james

      You only have to get you to heaven so just be true to yourself, Jean. All these manifestations are just the birth pangs of the
      new age and I’m sure the church will figure it all out.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      You’ve articulated your and the concerns of many very well Ms. Spearing!

    • kathleen riney

      I’m 72-THANK YOU JEAN!! We DID try, for over 40 yrs!! You said it ALL! We were ignored as we Pleaded with Bishops & Priests because our Children wouldn’t listen to us, if the Priest was teaching them outright Heresy in some cases. Mostly, it was Ambiguity… We begged them to help….one answered me, “Better BCP than an Abortion Mom”!!! WHAT?!?!? You’re also correct–Especially at my age, my “End Times” are here! Thanks be to those Holy Priests & Nuns that gave up a Private Life, to Pass the Gospel & Church Teaching, on to us. And, then, it was Our responsibility to research & educate ourselves, as a part of our Prayer Life! Excellent Idea James, Vatican Council II as it was meant to be implemented. BEFORE The Network Inside the Church, Hijacked it!

  • Brian F Hudon

    So far, I can’t imagine a worse pope. This man has said and indicated more things that seem at odds with Catholic Tradition than I can immediately recall. It’s easy enough to throw the usual litmus tests at Pope Francis and say, yes, he passes. However, being Catholic isn’t a ten point checklist. My contention is that spiritually, he could barely be less Catholic and remain a Catholic. As an example I would offer the following remarks by Pope Francis at a general audience of June 19 of this year:

    “The divisions among us, but also the divisions among the communities: Evangelical Christians, Orthodox Christians, Catholic Christians, why are we divided? We must seek to bring unity. I will tell you something: today, before leaving the House, I spent forty minutes, more or less, half an hour, with an Evangelical pastor and we prayed together, and sought unity. But we must pray among ourselves as Catholics and also with the other Christians, pray that the Lord may give us unity, unity among us.”

    Christ came to divide, with the very sword of Truth, himself, not to unite men. Christ speaks of dividing father and son, mother and daughter. Christ says that a man’s enemies will be those of his own household, on account of his name. It is important to note when Christ is speaking to his own disciples and when he is speaking to all men with an eye towards to hope that all men do become his disciples.

    • james

      Wow, are you a lost soul ! ! !

    • Brian F Hudon

      Have you ever read the New Testament?

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Brian, obviously the good news is that Pope Francis is a big net fisherman. The bad news is that Pope Francis is a big net fisherman . . . . . It will all be sorted out.

  • kathleen riney

    Thanks be to God I’m OLD!! I’ve never heard so much bickering & blathering, mostly by RC’s who have No idea what a “Formed” Conscience is, because they don’t have one..they have opinions about what it Should be!! BTW, here in Texas, they used to call us “Papist Pigs”..That’s right, a mere 35 yrs ago! So, thanks, but I’m going to keep on being a “Papist”..along with those who Earned that title under Elizabeth & Cromwell..Pax Christi..

    • Jean Spearing

      No it is not mostly by RC’s. Go visit a few more secular or protestant websites and you will see exactly where the vitriol is coming from. This site is mild in comparison.

    • kathleen riney

      Sorry Jean–there’s already a De Facto Schism in the American Church. I live in a large, prosperous Parish ….I can’t get out to Mass very often, at all….2 yrs ago, I asked, SEVERAL times, for an EU Minister to Please bring us the Eucharist….ONCE! ONE TIME, 1 very Nice Lady came….Then, After I insisted on preparing my 16 yr old grandson for Confirmation, (at HIS request!) I became an Anathema!! They tried to tell me that I couldn’t do that. I was polite, but, reminded them that, Yes I Could do it. Parents & Grandparents have that Right. Thank God I stuck to my guns! We used the same Work Book, but it was the most Inane, “Jesus is my BFF” thing I’ve seen, since “Christ Among Us”! After the Ceremony, there was a ‘recieving line, & we went through, to shake hands with the Staff. The Lady who had tried to tell me I couldn’t get my grandson ready, shook hands with my Grandson, then, as I approached, she put Both hands behind her back & looked over my shoulder. (I had already extended my hand). I did ask 2 more times, but, No Eucharistic Ministers are available! And my oldest daughter, a devout Baptist, is All the Protestant feedback I need. :) Pax Christi ….JP II’s “Kids” are out there, & working hard!

  • kathleen riney

    ps…The Reason there are Protestant Sects in the First place is due to the fact that the population was ordered NOT to rely on the Pope!! See what happens when there is No one, ultimate Authority to interpret “Human” ideas of Doctrine?

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Ms. Riney, The article is about why a Catholic doesn’t have to wait for validation and affirmation from the Pope for them to be Catholic. It is about the danger of personality cults in Catholicism.

  • stephen

    “In contrast, the (left-wing/liberal/borderline-heretical/non-Orthodox non-orthodox) Catholics haven’t had a champion in Rome for so long…”

    David, what planet have you been living on? Wake up! Progressives/modernists/subversives/heretics/apostates have had a champion in Rome since 1958 (at least).

    • Jean Spearing

      Oh gees.

    • james

      and that champion is the Holy Spirit.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      And there is THAT perspective . . . . . But I’m far from being a sedevacantist if that is what you are suggesting.

  • josephine

    Thank you, Mr. Gray. You have put words to my thoughts. I appreciate you saying , “… our faith is not about who the Bishop of Rome is….”. I love the Holy Father, and knowing the right edge of the Church was left feeling wanting, having seen the Marxist’s corner get the headlines for years, i have hope.hope.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Thank you Josephine :D

      But I noticed isolated, without the comment about Catholicism not being a personality cult, that quote can be taken out of context.

  • Harry Flynn

    Mr. Gray, I write with all due respect, but with a stern tone to communicate clearly a distrust of your article.
    There has been a contingent of Catholics who have long since been aware of the “rock star” image of John Paul II and what it has done to the Papacy. On him hinged a very dangerous personality cult that threatened the spiritual life and salvation of many. Caught up in the euphoria created by such, John Paul II has become a sacred cow. With that said, you have my sympathy but not without scholarly reserve.
    I am somewhat perplexed by your remark on the [Wednesday] audiences. Before anything else, I would like to recommend reading their history (origin, mandate, etc.). I believe you will find that in one of the more recent Ecumenical Councils (I recall it being in Norman Tanner’s version of the Decrees). Since you are in Steubenville, you should find it readily available in the reference collection at the JPII library.
    Moreover, the chair of unity that is the Holy See is necessary in holding fast to the faith once received by all the Saints. Your remark about Rome “front-loading” causes lacks a careful distinction. This distinction is between turning to the Apostolic See that presides over all the churches in charity to guarantee the Faith vs. the “front-loading” you mentioned.
    Simply put, I believe you made a sloppy error. People looking to Rome for support is not quite the same as looking upon Rome as a “front-loading” organization. I do not doubt some have turned the Holy See into the latter, but my point is you failed to draw the distinction between the two.
    As such, you have insulted not a few Catholics who have been fighting this battle for the purity of the Faith a lot longer than you. Your carelessness has mischaracterized otherwise good people who have been dismayed at the devastation of the vineyard.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Thank you Mr. Flynn. Archbishop Chaput’s comment is the what of this article and, yes, the personality cult is the why. About the General Audiences, the comment was, “that it is okay if we don’t look forward to the general audience speeches anymore” – This is another phrase that if detached from the whole article it doesn’t work. In this instance the linchpin word is ‘anymore’ (ref: http://catholicstand.com/the-new-papal-diet-from-benedict-steak-to-francis-milk/).

    • Harry Flynn

      That is, Mr. Gray, another sloppy part of your article. Chaput is not to be lumped into the “right wing” (et al) group of Catholics.
      Just ask his opinion on the Extraordinary Form.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      I’m actually not the guy who gets to pick who is in and who is out of the Merry Right Wing Band, and being that I’ve only been to one Tridentine Mass, and won’t ever again unless I have to, that wouldn’t be a deal breaker for me, even if I were. :D

    • Harry Flynn

      You might be presuming I think of myself as having some authority to pick and choose “right-wing” people.
      I don’t.
      My statement was rooted in factual statements made by the Archbishop.

    • Harry Flynn

      My replies do not appear to be showing. Were they removed?

    • http://stacytrasancos.com/ Stacy Trasancos

      No, they should all be there Harry. Disqus runs on a cache system and it takes a while for all comments to show up on all links sometimes. Instead of clicking a link directly to the comment, click a link for the main article.

    • Harry Flynn

      I see things now. Thank you.

    • james

      So a natural question would be your reaction if Rome and or a Pope went viral in a way you thought was breaking with Truth and Tradition. Would you leave the church ? Is it possible for these devastated Catholics for whom you are one to go into some kind of spiritual depression ? How trite the yoke you bear as a
      21st century Catholic compared to those of the last 2000 years.who have been
      persecuted, inquisoned (sic?) scattered, martyred. You react as if we had a
      Borgia in the chair. Our church’s next phase is to take eccuminism to another
      level and your distress over the coming signs is the equivalent of having an
      affective disorder. I do feel sorry for anyone who gets so caught up in church
      politics and change that it truly causes them pain. The way i see it your faith
      is being tested and as the nuns taught, this will happen to make it stronger.

    • Harry Flynn

      I think you drastically misjudge me.

    • james

      Sorry then.

  • James Hendrixs

    Looking to deny the truth in the Pope’s words only makes you defiant to the will of God! Branding left leaning Catholics as (left-wing/liberal/borderline-heretical/non-Orthodox non-orthodox) only shines a spotlight on your lack of love for your fellows, and your lack of love for God!

  • James Hendrixs

    Deleting the opinions of those who disagree with you is dishonest, David! Honesty with one’s self, and with one’s God is the key ingredient to a relationship with God!

  • P. McCoy

    A black man needs the Catholic Church like he needs a hole in the head. Do you not know that fellow Blacks in Latin America suffer from Jim Crow discrimination without the signs because of the ” catholic cultures ” of Spain, France (does Haiti mean anything to you) and Portugal – they only ended slavery there in 1888. Protestants were at the vanguard of Black liberation from the grips of the Atlantic slave trade. Does it bother you that White ethnic groups of Catholic origins, especially the Irish, Italian, Poles and others from Eastern Europe enslaved your ancestors in the South, the Irish in particular braying and bellowing about how badly the Protestant British treated them. Does it matter to you that they hung Black men and burned up Black children in orphanages and discriminated against you in the jobs of firefighting and police protection problems that go on until this day. Or does it bother you that in the living memories of people alive now that it was Catholic Boston ethnics who did violence to innocent Black children because they didn’t want their kids to be polluted by being bussed to Black communities or worse have to share public resources with Blacks. You should be ashamed in participating in the degregation of your people. One Katherine Drexeler does not make up for thousands of rabid Catholic anti Black bigots