Protestants: It’s Time to Come Back

| 04-02-AD2013 | [71]

Leila Miller - Protestants

To my Protestant brothers and sisters:

It’s time to come back to Mother Church. We want you, we need you, we love you.

I’ve spent a lot of time in dialogue with activist atheists recently, and the direction we are going is not pretty. We are witnessing a rapid cultural decline into amorality.

Satan seeks the ruin of souls through the destruction of marriage and family, and the quickest route to his goal is the profanation of sex. The truth and meaning of human sexuality is our era’s cultural fault line, and unfortunately, Protestant denominations have been tumbling into its widening crevace at an alarming pace.

The first cracks denying the sacred nature of human sexuality began mere decades ago with the first tentative acceptance of contraception by a Christian church (the Anglicans). After 1,900+ years of unbroken Christian teaching on the immorality of contraception (including 400+ years of unbroken Protestant teaching), a moral evil was suddenly declared good. The entirety of Protestantism, although horrified at first, soon followed suit.

“Woe to those who call evil good” — Isaiah 5:20

Then came other issues — sterilization, masturbation, abortion, fornication and cohabiting, homosexual activity and homosexual “marriage”. One by one, Protestant communities have broken from Christian teaching and sided with the secular culture. Many Protestant communities do not accept all the aforementioned evils as good, of course, and some are making a valiant attempt to fight one or more of them. However, there is no guarantee that those denominations won’t eventually accept other sexual sins in the same way they accepted contraception, sterilization and masturbation. A majority vote by church leaders could launch an unsuspecting Protestant from the Spirit of the Gospel right into the spirit of the age — the Planned Parenthood age.

Look where you are standing. Unless you stand with the Catholic Church, you may already have one foot off the cliff.

How to guarantee that you’ll stand firmly on the ground of moral Truth? Come back home to the Catholic Church.

For over two thousand years:

The Catholic Church has never taught that contraception is a moral good, and she never will.

The Catholic Church has never taught that sterilization is a moral good, and she never will.

The Catholic Church has never taught that masturbation is a moral good, and she never will.

The Catholic Church has never taught that abortion is a moral good, and she never will.

The Catholic Church has never taught that fornication is a moral good, and she never will.

The Catholic Church has never taught that homosexual activity is a moral good, and she never will.

The moral teachings of the Church have never changed, and they never will.

Human sexuality is transcendent, life-giving and sacred, and the Catholic Church will teach that Truth till the last day.

Dear Protestant, a church with a changing morality is a church built on shifting sand. If you want to build your life and eternity on something solid, build it on the Rock of Peter. Don’t be carried about by every wind of social change; come back to the Catholic Church and stand strong with us — one united Body as Jesus intended.

America may not survive many more generations at the rate we are going, but the Church and her teachings will stand regardless, speaking the same Truths, undisturbed, till the end of time. Believe me, it’s a really nice place to be in a storm. Extremely peaceful.

So, come on. You’ll like it here, living in peace and joy and certainty. It’s your rightful home anyway.

Come back to Holy Mother Church. It really is time.

© 2013. Leila Miller. All Rights Reserved.

About the Author:

Leila Miller is a wife and mother of eight children who has a penchant for writing and a passion for teaching the Catholic Faith in simple ways. This summa cum laude Boston College graduate also loves to debate atheists, advocate for special needs orphans, and attempt the matchmaking of young Catholic singles (not necessarily in that order). All of the above is accomplished on her three blogs: Little Catholic Bubble, Orphan Report, and the invite-only Catholic Moms Matchmaking.
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  • http://www.healingandempowerment.blogspot,.com Phil Dzialo

    Well, this post is somewhat problematic to me. If you look at the research most self-identified Roman Catholics in the US choose to disregard Church teachings on most areas you mentioned, ie. masturbation, contraception, gay marriage (majority of Catholics support), cohabitation. There is a divided opinion among Catholics about abortion, etc. To the outside world, the American RC Church is quite divided within itself. Perhaps the post should be directed at Catholics being Catholics in their acceptance and embrace of morality within. It’s hard to win converts when the a good number of existing membership overtly ignores teaching on sex.

    • Anil Wang

      That’s an easy one. You’ll also find most Catholics (and Protestants), break many of the other 10 commandments: lie, steal (even if it’s small things), covet, take God’s name in vane, etc.

      Sin is still sin if everyone does it. Morality is still moral if no-one does it.

      The problem isn’t the law of God, that’s perfect. The problem is that these days is that after Vatican II, catechesis has suffered and been replaced by secular morality. Thankfully since the creation and popularization of the new Catholic Catechisms and Pope John Paul II’s Theology of the Body, this trend has begun to reverse. A whole generations have been affected by poor catechesis, so it’ll take at least another generation to get the general Catholic population to actually be aware of Church teaching.

    • Brian A.

      Ms. Miller…thank you for your thoughtful post. I believe your points are “spot-on.”

      But, I also find myself agreeing with Phil…which may (or may not) be surprising to Phil. (Phil…I didn’t want to flatter myself by thinking you read any of my posts disagreeing with many of your contributions.)
      I was fully prepared to mention many of Phil’s points in a separate posting, but he beat me to the punch.

      As you so aptly described Leila, moral relativism is the core of these nefarious and shifting philosophies. Moral relativism has led so many people astray and into the heresy of “cafeteria catholicism and protestantism.”

      I pray for everyone who was led to believe it’s okay to pick and choose the parts of faith to believe and practice, while ignoring the other more “bothersome” aspects of faith that just get-in-the-way of “living.” I truly feel there are many, many Catholics who live by this heretical philosophy. I believe there is clear evidence supporting this notion at nearly every Sunday Mass, regardless of the parish.

      How many times have we all attended Sunday mass where nearly every person in attendance approaches our Lord during Communion. However, when the Sacrament of Reconciliation is being ministered the day before, there are with few exceptions, only about 10 people in attendance…week-in and week-out…with the exception, perhaps, of major holidays.

      I am truly not trying to be judgmental, but I can only think of about two-possible explanations for this phenomena. First, I am either a very “lost” person on a spiritual level, and nearly everyone else in my parish are Saints; or second, there is a common misperception or misunderstanding regarding the definition of “sin.”

      Either possibility requires tremendous prayer to correct. If the former is true, I need to ask for God’s grace to correct my soul’s course. If the latter is true, I pray for God’s grace to correct the spiritual direction of my nation and its people. Either way, our entire country is in great need of God’s saving grace.

      I also pray that none of us are allowed to be put to the test…it’s only the grace of God that helps us to navigate those situations.

      Anyway, this was a very well written essay Leila. May the peace of our Lord be with you all.

    • joeclark77

      There’s plenty of scandal, to be sure. I think one of the main obstacles for conservative Christians to come to the church is the idea “but, but, Ted Kennedy is Catholic!”. Then again, one of the first twelve Catholics was Judas. You are writing as if you’re the first person in history to discover the concept of *scandal*. But the presence of scandal in the Church does not in any logical way imply that good Christians should remain outside of the Church. Our Lord knew there was a traitor in the upper room, but he didn’t respond by looking for a different group or cancelling his plans to found a Church. If anything, good Christians should rejoin the Church to help make it better!

    • http://www.healingandempowerment.blogspot,.com Phil Dzialo

      I’d like to add another perspective about the Judas comment. You should examine the gnostic “Gospel of Judas” written in the early-mid second century which describes Jesus’ conversations with Judas. A leather bound Coptic version surfaced in the 1970′s and was found in Beni Masar, Egypt and carbon dated to the late 3nd century and called the Codex Tchacos. The original was suppressed by Ireneaus in 180. Prior to Irenaeus, this codex was widely accepted by Christian communities. It gives you a different perspective on Judas.

  • H. Hobbit

    Perhaps the reason there is a ‘divide’ among Catholics on the issues of abortion, cohabitation, gay marriage, etc. is that the Catholics who deviate from Church teachings on these matters are thinking like Protestants. Cultural climates may alter the people kneeling in the Church, but the Church is never altered by the cultural climate. I fail daily to live a perfected life in Christ– that does not mean I should dismiss what Christ stands for and calls me to do. I agree with you, Phil, that many Catholics do not follow the teachings of the Church, but so what? I hear that argument all the time- and I think it’s a shallow way of viewing and dismissing the bigger picture.

    I read this article when it first came out on Little Catholic Bubble– while I was still a protestant. It stopped me in my tracks, and I had to evaluate my relationship with the Church. Indeed, at the time I could not even give a definition to the question, “What is the Church?” At that point, the only definition I could supply was that ‘church’ was a place where people of like minds gathered to worship Christ. If you didn’t like what was taught, you could leave and go somewhere else– or worse, I found that if you waited long enough, the ‘gist’ of what was being taught would change because so-and-so came up with a new interpretation of scripture!

    I appreciate this, Leila Miller. And you were right– it was time for me to come home. So this past Saturday I did. :)

    • http://momandthensome.blogspot.com Nicole C

      Wow. Yes, yes, and more yes! Great comment, H. Hobbit! And welcome Home!!! :)

    • ben

      You seem to have an issue with protestants.catholics thinking like protestants.Your trying to say protestants are the problem.like if catholixs are perfect.im an excatholic very knowledgeable.im not protestant but I stand by them.your church traces the line to apostle peter.my research traces your church to CONSTANTINE The truth lies in the bible.compare it to your church.At the end we will see.If your right (which are not) were in trouble of hell fire.If were right your in trouble of hell fire.but we believe catholics will be saved.only the ones who have their faith in christ.not by good works but by Gods grace.SOLA SCRIPTURA SOLA FIDE SOLA GRACIA.GOD BLESS YOU.lets not fight or hate each other.We are bros n sisters in christ.

  • http://www.littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com Leila

    H. Hobbit, you have no idea how much joy your comment has brought me today! Thank you, and welcome home!!

    Phil, sometimes it’s the zeal of converts that brings dissenting Catholics back to the fullness of the truth. It doesn’t have to be “either” we reach dissenting Catholics “or” we win converts, does it?

    • ben

      I disagree.im a former catholic.no way going back.excatholic for christ.I stand with the protestants.sola scriptura.many nights of studying.researching lead me to believe in sola scriptura.many catholics are being saved around here.nothing against catholics but doctrines are unbiblucal.plz open your eyes.its hard to find a catholic who really is following God.around my area.the muslims claim to be the only way.the orthodox claim too.you too.im pentecostal.they teach me all can be saved regardless what church.your church teaches no salvation outside church.cmon.youll see one day I told u the truth.JESUS IS THE ROCK.study ppl plz.stop believing your church.this is the 21 century.early church fathers said no salvation outside church because there was a lot of paganisms.Mr basil once said which ever church is close to scripture is true church.there is too much pride in the rcc.its all about the church.I have studied the catechism.I do know your church.32 yrs in it.As long as you know the gospel your alright.belueve it follow it.God is love.We are brothers n sisters in christ.

    • Seb

      Then back to catholic church my brother, we need you as one body… Let’s pray for Christian unity. Your brother in Christ from indonesia

  • http://catholicstand.com Stacy Trasancos

    H. Hobbit,

    We are turning cartwheels, and that ain’t easy in your 40′s.

    Welcome home!

    • joeclark77

      This will also cheer you up: I entered the Church on Saturday as well, and both of my kids were baptized at the same vigil mass. “Little Catholic Bubble” and “Accepting Abundance” were both part of my frequent reading during the past year.

    • http://www.littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com Leila

      Joe, welcome home!!! Hooray!!!! Cartwheels here (not pretty)!

  • Theresa

    As a Protestant, I appreciated the frankness of your article. However, the problem of declining moral values, especially in the US, is due to many factors, not just Protestanism. Many non-denominational churches are as commited to biblical truths as the Catholic church. Their failure is due to one problem: They do not and will not recognize a central authority. If their members do not agree with the current minister, they just leave and go to another church. I read recently there may be as many as 3,000 different Protestant denominations. I do not believe this was God’s intent when he appointed Peter, nor do I believe it was Martin Luther’s intent to split the church. On the other hand, old school Catholics have not always been gracious when Protestants have expressed an interest in joining the Catholic church. While Protestants actively recruit new members, Catholics have not shown much interest in evangelizing. Protestants who are taught that the Bible is the sole authority in religion have trouble accepting church tradition which allows other texts and ancient documents to be used in teaching. This again goes back to the issue of the Pope’s relationship to Peter. Protestants do not have a sense of church history that goes back any farther than Luther. They do not have a devotion to Mary nor do they understand the place of Saints in the church. On some level these issues need to be addressed by a welcoming church. In truth, many Prots hold the Pope in high regard, but are very rarely invited to attend Mass. They consider the Catholic church a closed society and the church has done little to correct that notion. Personally, I believe the Catholic church is the church God intended. But I believe because I made it a point to learn about the church and its history on my own. The church needs to welcome all in this time of trial and moral disintegration. It is time. God bless.

    • http://www.littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com Leila

      Theresa, I agree with your assessment, and yes, it will take more than a recognition of massive cultural moral failure to bring in Protestants, but it’s a signpost, a start. It might lead folks to start investigating. (And for the record, I believe it’s over 30,000 Protestant denominations now.)

      We Catholics have a long way to go in outreach. Sadly, many parishes, and even dioceses, are lukewarm. Catechesis is lacking. Many Catholics barely know or believe their own Faith, and would really just laugh at the thought that they were called to “evangelize”. It’s not even on their radar screen. But you just need to keep going, and find that group of encouraging, on-fire Catholic friends (sometimes it might be online!). We are out here, and we want so badly to invite you to mass and to welcome you home! We need converts like you to light the rest of the Church on fire. :)

    • Collin Wahlund

      It definitely is a difficult thing, many Catholics have bought into the idea that you do what’s comfortable for you in religion but never reach out to others. Many Christians in general, actually.

      I think one tricky bit is that Catholics who do follow the teachings of the Church rather than give them lip service tend to be wary of people trying to change the Church for the worse. What they often aren’t seeing is that Protestants who understand the evils of moral relativism may well want to find the truth, not try to change it. They can be some very vibrant and active people that are needed in Christ’s Church.

      Being a convert from Lutheran to Catholic myself, I know that there are so many riches of faith to be found in the Church, and I highly recommend any Protestant to look inside of it. There almost always is someone to help welcome you in, although it may take some searching (unfortunately). Most good things in life do take searching though. I get why some Catholics may be hesitant, but the outreach is what is needed.

    • joeclark77

      “While Protestants actively recruit new members, Catholics have not shown much interest in evangelizing.”

      This is true. The first time I e-mailed someone at the Catholic center at my university, expressing an interest in learning more about the faith, he replied in a lackadaisical way that they have “a class for that”, I e-mailed back asking when and where, and never heard back from him.

      If I had emailed a Protestant student group, they wouldn’t have e-mailed back either… they’d have been knocking at my door in minutes.

    • http://www.littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com Leila

      Joe, great point. It’s sad!! I’ll tell you that when I taught RCIA, we could not call those inquirers back fast enough! We were so excited to get the calls!!

  • http://Www.littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com Leila

    Collin, amen to all that! You are exactly the kind of on-fire convert that makes the difference. We are so blessed to have you.

    • ben

      Leila why do you exagerate its a catholic thing to claim there are 30, 000 different denominations.lol.they are baptists pentecostals lutherans methodists so on.maybe if your counting every church.lol.we have revivals together.and guess what we all claim rcc is not the true church.why dont you tell your readers the catholic church is divided.from within.not all catholics believe same thing.some agree with this others dont.believe me I was catholic.my girlfriend is catholic.she doesnt care bout pope or venerating mary.but she loves the church.which is fine with me.she has christ in her heart.tell your readrrs.explain to them about the eastern orthodox.how they claim their the true church.but their catholics too.coptic.oriental orthodox.coptics even have a pope.they trace their line to st mark.I know u hold protestants in contempt.your world revovles around catholiscm.no matter what they tell u you will always belive your church.even if they show u evidence.orthodox dont accept rcc teachings.purgatory.immaculate conception.etc…oh they reject the pope as sole leader.maybe if yall woulda picked st paul maybe it would been better.but st paul also had the keys.all the apostles had the keys.God is not looking for a religion or a church.hes looking for anyone who will worship him in spirit n in truth.dont say rcc is been around 2000 yrs etc.hinduism and buddists been here longer n seem to be staying.buddists twice as old as rcc.WE dont evangelize to bring ppl into our church but into the kingdom of christ.Who said there is no salvation outside your church a man or God.TELL ME.Im reasonable.im knowledgable.I follow christ.I try to live a holy life.I try my best to love others.I dont hurt anyone.I help anyone I can.im trying to imitate christ.look into your heart.we can agree God is love.we cannot comprehend his love.his love has no limits.will he still send great loving ppl who believe in him to hell for not being catholic.cmon.leila your intelligent.its man made doctrine which church fathers stated because there was a lot of paganism n also the persecutions it was around neros time.the catholic church today is not the same as those times.study.look at both sides of the coin.me and my house will follow christ.not a religion.its nothing wrong being catholic.its just when your saying your the true church and only salvation comes through your church.islam claims me and you are infidels.and were destined to hell.well leila you and your church sound like them.Let ALMIGHTY GOD CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE THE STARS THE ONLY TRUE MIGHTY GOD.LET HIM DECIDE.GOD BLESS.MUCH LOVE FOR CATHOLIC BRO N SIS.LEAVE THE PROTESTANTS ALONE.THEY LOVE CHRIST TOO.LEAVE THEM ALONE.PLZ.REMEMBER WHEN THE DISCIPLES WANTED TO REBUKE PPL CASTING OUT DEMONS IN JESUS NAME.THE LORD SAID NO DONT STOP THEM LEAVE THEM ALONE.WHOEVER IS NOT AGAINST ME IS WITH ME.PROTESTSNTS ARE OF THE SAME BODY OF CHRIST.YOU WILL SEE THEM IN HEAVEN.YOU WILL SEE.BE LIKE THE BEREANS.CHECK THE SCRIPTURES TO SEE THE TRUTH.

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  • http://catholicsacristan.blogspot.ca Wendell

    I came home 28 years ago. You have, for the most part, articulated the reasons for my doing so.

    I had a profound experience of the risen Lord that convinced me Jesus is, indeed, the only Son of God, and that He founded a Church. That Church is the Catholic Church.

    My protestant (United Church of Canada, Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada) upbringing was a good preparation, but the fullness of the Faith is only to be found in the Catholic Church.

    After seriously considering the Orthodox Church for several years, I came to the conclusion that the Catholic Church’s claims were the most convincing.

    Thank you for your post!

    • Brian A.

      Wendell…Welcome home brother! The Holy Spirit moved you…He spoke to your soul. Keep that “fire of faith” and help us all to evangelize on our Lord’s behalf.

      Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto, sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum.

  • Linda Meditz

    I was raised as a Catholic but became Protestant in my late teens. I have much respect for Catholicism and have entertained returning to the church, but simply cannot get past certain facets of Catholic understanding. Take the place of Mary in Catholic faith and worship. Try as I might, I cannot warm up to Mary as more than a figure of great faith and humility. How is the enormous role she is granted in Catholicism biblical? Also, I have been hurt by a priest, although not as a result of sexual abuse (a tragedy that far outweighs the problem of the atomizing tendencies of Protestantism.) My late mother was a very warm but troubled person. Her priest told her to relax each afternoon by having a drink. The problem was she was already an alcoholic and the “blessing” of her priest only fed the beast. There were other ways I was abused psychologically by Catholic relatives–in general, abuse of alcohol was rampant in my extended family. So I think you folks are up against the cultural missteps of the church in the 60′s-80′s as you seek to win people back.

    • Brian A.

      Good Morning Linda!

      I wanted to share a few thoughts with you regarding your post. I pray the Holy Spirit will guide us both as we delve into the role of Mary in Catholicism, as well as the missteps of those who errantly counseled your late mother. Please pray for me as I will for you!

      The foundation of Mary’s role in Catholicism is rooted in the 10-Commandments, as well as in the Holy Gospels. The fourth commandment God gave to us states, “Honor your father and mother.”

      Keeping that commandment in mind, we know Mary is the Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God. Since Mary is His Mother, He would be impossibly untrue to Himself (i.e., sinful, which He cannot be) if He did not Honor His Mother Mary.

      Therefore, if Jesus Himself will honor His Mother Mary in the same way He commands us to honor our own parents, as He most certainly does, how could we not Honor His Holy Mother Mary as well? :)

      Mary is THE woman through whom Salvation and the opportunity for all to have eternal life came into this world. Mary is The Mother of Jesus Christ, The Son of God…The Word made flesh.

      Yet Linda, Roman Catholics do not worship Mary…to do so would be to commit oneself to the road of perdition and spiritual ruin/death. However, we do, and will continue to, honor Mary as the Mother of The Most High, Jesus Christ, The Word of God, and the Author of the 10-Commandments who commands all of us to Honor our mothers and fathers. Jesus undoubtedly honors His most holy mother in heaven. Therefore, we in imitation of Jesus, honor Mary, the mother of our Lord Jesus Christ, whose sacrifice (Jesus’ Sacrifice) gives us the opportunity for eternal life.

      Linda, please try to envision Mary in your mind as God the Holy Spirit Himself, the Divine Inspiration behind everything written in the Holy Bible… describes her for us.

      Additionally, when we examine the Roman Catholic prayer called the “Hail Mary,” or in Latin the “Ave Maria,” we discover that every word of this prayer…every single one…is found in the Divinely Inspired Holy Bible. I believe this is another way Jesus, The Word of God made flesh, honors His most reverent mother.

      I’m hopeful my attempt at a Marian apologetic was clear and at least a little meaningful for you. Please let me know if it was not.

      Turning now to the issue of poor advice for your beloved late mother, I can’t help but wonder if the priest giving the advice really knew your mother well enough. If he did, then shame on him for telling your mother to have a relaxing drink each afternoon. That was the worst possible advice anyone could give an alcoholic.

      Regardless of whether he knew your mother well enough or not, all of us, priests included, are sinners before God’s eyes; but, those of us who occupy counseling positions share a higher level of accountability before God because counselors have the potential to change the way people think and live. When errant advice is rendered, and said advice is the reason someone uses to choose a harmful path of action or inaction, then the person rendering the advice has just as much culpability to God, if not more so, for the resultant harm.

      While this may be little comfort for you, I hope the potential poor advice of one priest doesn’t color the way you view all priests. Please try to keep in mind that all of us are fallible, including priests. But I am sorry your life and the life of your beloved mother was effected so negatively by such poor advice.

      The aforementioned notion segues pretty well into my final point. We are all fallible. I really hope the Catholic relatives who were psychologically abusive were not abusive from a religious perspective. Alcoholics are found in every denomination, creed, and nation. It is a very destructive addiction, as all addictions are. Please allow me to reassure you that there are many, many people in Catholicism who, by the grace of Almighty God, are trying their best to live holy lives. I pray you may encounter those among you who are doing just that.

      Linda, while I know my post was very lengthy, I hope what I’ve written to you was in some way helpful, if only a little.

      May the Lord Holy Spirit deliver The Truth, The Peace, and The Love that is our Lord Jesus Christ to your heart and soul, and remain there forever.

      Most Sincerely,
      A Friend

    • http://www.littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com Leila

      Linda, I hope you do find your way back. I know there are obstacles, and the human factor (being hurt by those in the Church) is often more difficult to overcome than the acceptance of doctrine.

      I agree with you about the missteps of the ’60s – ’80s. Here’s how it played out for me:

      http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2012/11/this-is-my-story-it-might-be-your-story.html

      Keep reading Catholic blogs (faithful ones!) and apologetics (I recommend Devin Rose’s blog, Stacy Trasancos’ blog, and Jen Fulwiler at Conversion Diary.

      H. Hobbit and Brian A, thank you for your thoughtful replies to Linda!

      Linda, let us pray for one another! Jesus prayed for us, on the night he was arrested, that we may all be one. Let’s come together in unity again, forgiving each other and uplifting the Body of Christ so that she is a beacon to the entire world.

  • Linda Meditz
    • H. Hobbit

      I read this and it hurt my heart to hear what you suffered in your past from both the Church and your mother. I would think it would be very, very hard to embrace an institution that had negatively impacted my life. On the other hand, I have heard countless stories of people who were deeply damaged by secular psychologists and public school teachers—and yet we don’t dismiss the fields due to some really bad examples.

      There are Baptists who are alcoholics. There are Methodist therapists who see nothing wrong with their clients taking a glass of wine. It isn’t the teachings of the Church that have hurt you—it is the people within the Church who contributed to the harm. You can point to any Christian group (or individual Christians) and find serious flaws and inconsistencies, but do you declare that Christianity must then be untrue?

      As to the link you posted, there is a difference between having a glass of wine (or whiskey) and having a problem that results from that glass of wine. I’ve lived among alcoholics, too, and I understand your anger– but misdirected anger does not address the core issues.

      I stumbled with the issue of Mary as well, at least at first. Praying to a Saint is a real protestant no-no! Now I am so grateful for her! And no—the Church does not teach or believe that she is equal to Christ nor do we to worship her. I’ve noticed that many Protestants feel perfectly at ease asking their Guardian Angels to protect them and pray for them, but they turn green at the notion of asking a Saint to pray for them.

      Mary loves with a perfect mother’s love, and she would love to mother you and help heal your deep pain. She is not going to stand in between you and Christ—her purpose is to magnify Christ.

      I think you are right in that the Church has done some damage in the past few decades. But something brought you to read a Catholic blog. You are older now– perhaps it’s time to look at Catholicism with fresh eyes and then determine whether or not you want to come home to it.

      God bless you. I wish you well either way. :)

    • WBBritton

      There is nothing inherently wrong with whiskey. In and if itself it can do nothing. In the hands of the alcoholic it can be harmful, but not because of the whiskey. Catholic monks also developed beer. The scriptures speak of God creating “wine to gladden man’s heart (Psalm 104). Alcohol like all things can become an idol if we aren’t careful. That’s the truly unfortunate thing about living in our fallen world, but thanks be to God that we have so great a Redeemer!

      Linda, the “obstacles” you find yourself facing can be overcome through grace and prayer. The problems you encounter are not with the Catholic Church or her teachings. They are with sinful people who really really need the Catholic Church for outside of her there is no salvation.

    • Linda Meditz

      Dear WBBritton: I am a little confused as I hit “reply” and your post did not appear. But I will reply anyway. As to whiskey, beer, and the like–I am no teetotaler. I just was just struck by your post having mentioned the damaging role the abuse of alcohol by many Catholic relatives played in my childhood. I agree that in and of themselves, alcoholic drinks are not inherently problematic.

      I would respectfully disagree with your statement that outide of the Catholic Church there is no salvation. I understand why Catholics take that position, and as champions for moral truth–such as the protection of the life of the unborn–I am an admirer and supporter. Yet on the matter of salvation, as a Protestant, I have a different view.

      LM

    • http://www.healingandempowerment.blogspot,.com Phil Dzialo

      “Outside the Church there is no salvation”? Really? The first thinking primate evolved about 200,000 years ago. The RC Church is 2000 years old. Do you mean that God abandoned 188,000 years to people to no salvation? Is every other person who acknowledges the Divine, the Source and not a member of RC Church condemned to no salvation. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus is irrational and defies attempts at human reason. No kind and merciful God would deny salvation to people of good will who care and love other people.

    • http://www.littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com Leila

      Linda and Phil, perhaps this is a good place to link another post I wrote, “Can non-Catholics be saved?”

      http://catholicstand.com/can-non-catholics-be-saved/

  • http://mccatholic.com Mark

    Thank you. I was an Anglican bishop who was just received into the Catholic Church this past Easter Sunday. I describe my experience on my blog at http://mccatholic.com
    It is such a relief to be home in the arms of Holy Mother Church.

    • http://www.littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com Leila

      Mark, praise God and welcome home!! I look forward to following your blog. Here is another Anglican clergy convert whom I enjoy:

      http://www.tunbridgewells-ordinariate.com/blog/

    • Brian A.

      Welcome Home Mark!!! Welcome Home!!!

      Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto, sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen.

    • http://mccatholic.com Mark

      Thanks Brian and Leila. Very much appreciate the welcome home!

  • Siegfried Paul

    I thought at the moment: the CATHOLIC NATIONS are FRANCE, ITALY, SPAIN and the REGION OF THE AUSTRIAN MONARCHY. If you want to help them, you have to help BISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE in FRANCE. And you have to reform the schools of the REGION OF THE AUSTRIAN MONARCHY: you have to TEACH LATIN to children early enough. Up to this moment – you can look at all the centuries of history – LATIN was not taught in a way to enable the CATHOLIC NATIONS to judge if VERGIL is not far inferior (but maybe superior) to HOMER; and that OVID and CICERO are worthless. – Look at the cross of Jesus.

    • Siegfried Paul
    • Brian A.

      Hi Siegfried Paul!

      I believe the term “nation” refers to a group, or multitude of people, who are bound to one another by common ancestral lineage, or common geographic origin, or common cultural/faith bonds.

      For instance, when I refer to the Catholic Nation, I am referring to the body of people (the Church) who share the same beliefs regarding what we consider to be the Truths of the Blessed Trinity and the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and whose earthly shepherd is the successor to St. Peter…the Pope.

      So by my estimation then, the Catholic Nation is not confined by the often arbitrary and/or capricious application of imaginary geographic lines denoting where one country begins and another ends. The Catholic Nation is the body of believers joined to one another and Jesus Christ through beliefs irrespective of geographic location. The Catholic Nation is comprised of people from nearly every country in the world, and is not confined to those countries which describe themselves as being founded upon Roman Catholicism, or Orthodox Catholicism.

      While what I have written makes sense to me, please let me know whether this speaks to your points above.

    • Siegfried Paul

      Good afternoon, Brian A., I just woke up – I had to deliver two letters during the night, so I fell asleep in the evening (the date is “05.04.2023 22:35″ here in Graz in Styria in Austria, “daylight saving time” that is doing harm also to animals, Russia doesn’t have it any more): I had a dream. That I should answer you: I had discussions with two male persons – one of them well-known in Styria as a “ROMAN CATHOLIC”, the other one well-known here as “ALTKATHOLISCH” (according to the law signed by the Emperor Francis Joseph I. in Budapest in 1874, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Joseph_I_of_Austria , I contributed to the “Wikipedia”). The result of the discussions (on a second point also with a third male person well-known to the first one) is up to this moment: there is no translation, up to this moment, of http://bible.cc/revelation/13-1.htm , http://biblos.com/revelation/12-17.htm , of the “REVELATION” of the disciple whom Jesus loved and who was lying close to the breast of Jesus at supper on the night of betrayal.

    • Siegfried Paul

      Good evening, Brian A., I think all NATIONS stem from different human mothers. Therefore, concerning the four NATIONS I was speaking about: FRANCE has a human mother and ITALY has a different human mother and SPAIN has a still different human mother and AUSTRIA has a fourth human mother. In this sense Isje Johanna Peerdeman calls the mother of Jesus “LADY OF ALL NATIONS” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_of_all_Nations (I contributed to the “Wikipedia”); if the mother of Jesus were to be called a “mother of the Church”, the distinction of the FIRST EPISTLE OF PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS, “11, 16″, http://biblos.com/1_corinthians/11-16.htm , between “HEMEIS” and “AI EKKLESÍAI TOU THEOU” would need an explanation. – I do not think, that the woman with the moon under her feet of the “APOCALYPSE” of the disciple whom Jesus loved and who was lying close to the breast of Jesus at supper on the night of betrayal, http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012:1-2&version=NASB , can be the mother of Jesus; the mother of Jesus could not bear a second child.

    • Siegfried Paul

      “April 5, 2013 at 4:04 pm”: I correct – “05.04.2013 22:35″, not “05.04.2023″.

    • Brian A.

      Good evening Siegfried,

      I fully agree with you, “that the woman with the moon under her feet of the “APOCALYPSE” of the disciple whom Jesus loved and who was lying close to the breast of Jesus at supper on the night of betrayal, can be the mother of Jesus; the mother of Jesus could not bear a second child.”

      I believe the woman from Revelation is the Church (i.e., the followers and believers in Jesus Christ), who were born of original sin. As you pointed out, Mary could not bear a second child; especially since she is the Immaculate Conception…the one and only woman born without original sin. Therefore, Mary could not experience the pains associated with giving birth, chiefly because birthing pains are only visited upon those women of God’s creation who were born with original sin.

    • Siegfried Paul

      Good afternoon [here: "09.04.2013", about "22:03"]! I tried without success on three blogs to quote “JOHN, 1, 19-37″ – in the “HOLY BIBLE”. John the Baptist is saying that he doesn’t know Jesus: and after THREE DAYS John the Baptist gets to know the CHURCH; as he meets the FIRST DISCIPLE OF JESUS.

  • Linda Meditz

    Dear Brian A, Leila, and H. Hobbit: Thank you all for your generous and kind responses to my post. Yes, it is painful to be hurt by the people of the church–e.g. the priest who encouraged my alcoholic mother to drink. But my resisitance is not only shaped by those experiences. There are doctrinal matters at hand, as well. In the end, I find myself Protestant at heart. The passion for the Gospel of St. Paul–the conviction of Luther and Calvin–the music of Bach–the poetry of Cranmer–the sublimity of Anglican hymnody–there is a potency to these influences that is undeniable, at least for me. But I do appreciate Catholicism at its most majestic and I do wish you all well as fellow Christians.

    • http://www.littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com Leila

      Linda, understood!

      May I gently assert that all the good you find in Protestantism is there in Catholicism as well.

      Passion for St. Paul… St. Paul is so revered in Catholicism that we celebrate his feast day, proclaim his words at just about every mass, daily and on Sundays, and heck, I even named my son after him! :)

      The passion Luther had for Paul might have actually been more passion for what he wished Paul had said: Luther added the word “alone” to Paul’s words (after the word “faith”) in his translations of Romans, because apparently Paul didn’t say it quite right (not considering that the omission of “alone” was divine, not an oversight!). But Luther overrode Paul’s words. Why? Because Luther “would have it so”, he said. That is not the humility one would hope to see in the leader of a Christian reform movement.

      The “conviction” of Luther included not only changing and adding to the words of Sacred Scripture (a sin in itself), but also a major push to remove several New Testament books, such as James, Hebrews, Revelation, etc. He didn’t like those books. He wanted to trash them. It takes my breath away to think about it, and should make us all shiver! I would run away so fast from a man with such “convictions”!

      Essentially, the very name of Protestant (which the Reformers chose, I believe?) is indicative of its spirit: “Protest”. The movement is founded on the protest against the Church, not born in affirmation.

      There are so many good things in Protestantism, yes, and beautiful music and prayers. But no one has to leave any piece of poetry or music behind to reconcile with the Church. I myself love C.S. Lewis, Bonhoeffer, and many pieces of Protestant music! Everything that is good in Protestantism is to be embraced. But those goods can be found in Catholicism, too. You can have it all. :)

      Perhaps someday you could seek out the Anglican Use communities (the Ordinariate), and find the best of both worlds!

      http://anglicanuse.org/

      Many blessings to you, and thank you for your kind wishes as well. Hopefully we will all eat together again at the same Table, sharing the Body and Blood of Christ.

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  • Siegfried Paul

    @ ioannes and Rusty
    I think we can never say: “If gays want to be gays, it’s their problem, not mine.” We have a responsibility for others. We have to solve the problem: in the name of “SCIENCE” it is said that “HOMOSEXUALITY” is “NATURAL” and that ANIMALS can be “NATURALLY HOMOSEXUAL”. I’m therefore still suggesting to the government of Styria in Austria to continue the discussion on EVOLUTION: I proposed to discuss a theory of Bartholomäus Carneri. – [I was not admitted with this answer on http://blog.adw.org/2013/04/what-does-the-catholic-church-offer-to-the-gay-person/ less than on hour ago.]

  • ben

    Leila you seem to dislike martin luther.I know your church says he was a sick man.lol.I dont buy it.but u do.lol.religion poisons the mind.thts why I left the rcc.to follow christ.I used to worship mary.virgen de san juan.even though rcc teaches to venerate.but in the catechism it teaches we can pray to mary.shes the mediatrix.lol.open your eyes catholics.look for the truth.ask God to guide you.catholics fall in love with the church.my heart belongs to jesus.not to a church.I will teach u the transsubtination.you believe in mass jesus body and blood transmutate into the bread n wine.right.jesus was speaking methaphorically.he was a man too.when he shared the wine n bread with disciples he was there.he wasnt crucified yet.so how did he turn himself into wine n bread.plus since he was not yet crucified the old testament law was still active.in leviticus it says no drinking blood! Explain.heres some questions for catholics to ponder.what rituals must u perform in order to obtain salvation? But if its by grace it is no longer on the basis of works otherwise grace is no longer grace (romans 11:6) Are you being good enough to keep yourselves saved? If authority of the roman catholic church is so important then why did the Bereans in acts 17:11 not just subject themselves to that apostolic authority.instead of checking what paul said against scripture-AND PAUL PRAISED THEM FOR IT.If the rcc has authority over you do you submit to whatever it says or do you check what it says against scripture? Im an excatholic who NO LONGER LIVES BY RELIGION BUT BY CONVICTION…

    • ben

      What rituals must you perform in order to obtain Gods grace?

    • Siegfried Paul

      I thought that – on “TRANSUBSTANTIATION” – Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel could be asked. He speaks not only about Martin Luther and Jean Calvin. Thomas Siegfried Posch bought the Dove-Nachschrift of the Vorlesung über Religionsphilosophie in Liegnitz, part of it would be ready for publication. We had published – the “Ersttranskription” is mine, s. P. XLV – http://pm.nlx.com/xtf/data/collections/hegel_vl_de/hegel_vl_de.17.pdf : G.W.F. Hegel, Vorlesung über Naturphilosophie Berlin 1825/26. Nachschrift von Heinrich Wilhelm Dove. Hrsg. von Karol Bal, Gilles Marmasse, Thomas Siegfried Posch, Klaus Vieweg. Felix Meiner Verlag, Hamburg 2007.

    • Brian A.

      Hi Ben…I hope you’re having a great evening!

      I had a number of thoughts after reading your post above, and a few questions as well.

      First, a question: Do you believe Jesus, as God and man, honors His mother?

      Second, I’m curious what led to your “epiphany” regarding the Roman Catholic Church. In other words, what circumstance or condition in your life led you to believe the Church was no longer relevant for you, hence you no longer need to follow Mother Church and its divinely inspired teachings?

      Third, I never read anywhere in the Holy Bible where Jesus said, “I want you to use bread and wine as metaphors for my body and blood, and eat and drink of them in memory of me.” Why is it so difficult to for you to believe that God is incapable of turning common bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ? Jesus performed many, many miracles for our benefit, and this is one of the greatest!

      Your Levitical argument doesn’t hold water either. Jesus Himself “violated” Old Testament Laws (which I personally do not believe He did, but many in the Sanhedrin did) when He healed and saved souls on the Sabbath. How would you rationalize this fact?

      Additionally, Jesus did not come to do away with Old Testament law, but rather to fulfill it! Jesus is both God and man…just as He was before His death upon the cross. He did not “become” God after His death, because He always was, is, and is yet to come. But, He did establish the “new and everlasting covenant” through His life, death and resurrection.

      Too, salvation was, is and always will be the core and purpose of all God’s gifts of grace. I believe the argument you present is, unfortunately, one of the lamest arguments I hear regarding this topic. This argument is a “cop-out.” The core of the argument you present is that no one could possibly be “good enough” (your words), so we don’t even have to try to be an active Christian known by the “works” God performs through us for the benefit of ourselves and others…we are “saved,” and all Jesus expects us to do is to say “I accept you Lord Jesus as my personal Savior.”

      Please allow me to draw your attention to another New Testament passage, St. James Chapter 2. Please read the entire chapter…pay special attention to the verses whereby the Holy Spirit through St. James tells us, “As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.”

      What say you regarding St. James writings?

      You are correct that we cannot ever do anything to merit salvation on our own. Justification comes through the perfect and living sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

      Yet, as professed believers in Christ, we are ALL called to perform Corporal and Spiritual Acts of Mercy…because without these deeds of love, our faith is dead.

      Finally, I’m sorry to hear you say that you follow the false god called “personal conviction.” Jesus Himself tells us the wise and prudent person examines the evidence so that the Holy Spirit will show us the Truth, and therefore the Way and the Life leading to God…the one, true, living and eternal triune God!

      God does not want lemmings who blindly follow what others tell us regarding our faith. However, He also gave us “shepherds” to help guide us along the way…who happen to be the priests and bishops. He wants us to use the faculties He gave each of us, as well as the guidance He provides us through our shepherds, so we all may freely determine which path we would like to follow…the God of Life, or the false god who deceptively leads people to perdition.

      I truly look forward to hearing from you Ben. Everything I’ve said above was said out of love. I did not intend to insult or offend you; rather, my purpose was to open a dialogue with you regarding faith…more specifically, the faith of the Roman Catholic Church.

      Have a good evening Ben. May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

      Most Sincerely and Respectfully,
      Brian A.

    • Siegfried Paul

      I thought at the moment: the depression Benedict XVI. suffers from is partly due to his not being supported by America. If a fair dicusssion continued, I could perhaps write the names of three male witnesses for this opinion on this screen: they might allow me to call them “conservative catholic priests”. I participated in the discussion on the JOINT DECLARATION ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION – http://www.dict.cc/?s=Rechtfertigungslehre : I have not been told, up to this moment, that “Monsignor Marcello Semeraro” (I read that he was a bishop) – http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/13/world/europe/vatican-pope-cardinals/index.html – would refuse the discussion on the JOINT DECLARATION.

    • Siegfried Paul

      Brian A., I’ m afraid you think it is of no importance to you in America, but I continued, less than three hours ago a discussion that concerns Medjugorje, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medjugorje (I contributed to the “Wikipedia”). I had been asked to decide if it is possible to forbid pilgrimages to Medjugorje because in the name of a religious community it was said that Medjugorje is nothing but a superstition. I still feel, at the moment, that there is a problem: if you have a commission that is supposed to investigate, you cannot encourage the pilgrimage at the same time, as long as that commission does not forbid to forbid the pilgrimage.

  • Siegfried Paul

    ["April 17, 2013 at 3:09 am", I correct "s. p. XLV":] I add that the blog “stephenbarclay.com” listed under “RECENT COMMENTS” on top less than one hour ago my following lines: >> I thought at the moment: “ATHEISM” ( http://catholicstand.com/atheism-and-nothing/ ) could argue against the “CORPUS CHRISTI PROCESSION” (also in Gmunden). <<

  • Siegfried Paul

    I have to correct – ” http://stephenbarkley.com/ “.

  • ben

    Brian a.greetings.I will be honest and truthful.I do not believe the rcc to be the true church of christ.Yes I was once a roman catholic.yes I was.doctrinal school communion catechism classes.I did love the church.which today I only love its members.NOT ITS TEACHINGS.dont conclude I hate catholics.No.my girlfriend is catholic.but she doesnt believe in praying venerating saints.she doesnt agree with teachings.doctrine.some doctrine she does.I eat lunch with catholics everyday.I cut my hair in a catholic barber shop.or owned by catholics.I shop or buy groceries in catholic owned stores.I like catholic inspirational sayings.Brian a it will be futile you tell me about the rcc faith.I will not swim or cross the tiber.my faith is rooted in scripture alone.I go to a pentecostal church.I love how they worship God and bible teachings.Look as a catholic I didnt know much.yes I attended classes but still I didnt have the knowledge I have now.IM NOT AN AVERAGE PEW DWELLER.Im like a BEREAN LOOKING TO SCRIPTURE TO SEE IF ITS TRUTH.LOOK AT AN RCC POPE WHAT HE SAID “HOW WELL WE KNOW WHAT A PROFITABLE SUPERSTITION THIS FABLE OF CHRIST HAS BEEN FOR US”.(POPE LEO X) ALSO THIS BRIAN.”IT IS AN ACT OF VIRTUE TO DECIEVE AND LIE WHEN BY SUCH MEANS THE INTEREST OF THE CHURCH MIGHT BE PROMOTED.”BISHOP EUSEBIUS.an excatholic priest told me they teach them to confuse the protestants.to instill confusion.Wont work with me.I know I serve a mighty God who is able.I fell away from living a good life.was a member of organized crime.which today they want to kill me.why because I decided to follow jesus.which I will do.I didnt want that life no more.did many bad things.I survived many things.they riddled my truck with bullets but I survived.im still here.now I want to serve the lord.im not protestant.im just a christian.the convicton you said is a god is your false belief.conviction is when you truly want to live by believing and doing the things THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THE WORD OF GOD.SEPERATING YOURSELF FROM SIN.HATING SIN.TRYING TO LIVE A LIFE ACCEPTABLE TO GOD.IMITATING CHRIST.I dont follow the teachings of a pastor.no.only if it aligns with scripture.ask yourself will God approve if I follow this teaching or doctrine.your church teaches you have to believe in sacred tradition which is at the same level as scripture.But I dont agree.how can tradition be on same level as scripture.to me scripture is above.why.BECAUSE RCC APPEALS TO SCRITURE TO SUPPORT ITS SACRED TRADITION.IN DOING SO IT IS SUBMITTING ITSELF TO THE AUTHORITY OF SCRIPTURE FOR VALIDATION OF ITS PRINCIPLE.Hope you understand.on salvation.I dont agree rcc is the one who can give salvation.No.its man made.did the thief on the cross go through rcc.penance.works.sacraments.you will never find anyone in scripture who went through Rcc.WE ARE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH.ROM 5:1 WITHOUT WORKS OF LAW EPH2:8 THERFORE WE CONCLUDE THAT A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH WITHOUT DEEDS OF THE LAW.ROM 3:28. FOR WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURE SAY? ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND IT WAS COUNTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.ALSO READ ROM 4:5.OH AND TO ANSWER WHAT YOU TOLD ME ABOUT WORKS IN THE BOOK OF ST JAMES IS THIS…FOR BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED THROUGH FAITH AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD; NOT AS A RESULT OF WORKS THAT NO ONE SHOULD BOAST.EPH 2:8-9.I KNOW RCC TEACHES IM LOST AND GOING TO HELL.ON NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH.ON PROTESTANTS GOING TO HELL FOR KNOWING RCC EXISTS.OR ANYONE.BUT LOOK AT WHAT YOUR CHURCH SAY ABOUT MUSLIMS ISLAM…THE CHURCH’S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MUSLIMS.THE PLAN OFSALVATION ALSO INCLUDES THOSE WHO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CREATOR.IN THE FIRST PLACE AMONGST WHO ARE THE MUSLIMS:THIS PROFESS TO HOLD THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM AND TOGETHER WITH US ADORE THE ONE MERCIFUL GOD MANKINDS JUDGE ON LAST DAY.CATECHISM OF CATHOLIC CHURCH PAR 841.YOUR CHURCH DOES SAY SOME POMPUOUS WORDS ON SALVATION.YOUR CHURCH IS ALREADY DETERMINING WHO ATTAINS SALVATION.BUT LOOK AT WHAT GOD SAYS “FOR HE SAITH TO MOSES:I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY.AND I WILL SHEW MERCY TO WHOM I WILL SHEW MERCY.”MATT 15:1-3 DOUAY RHEIMS BIBLE.IM NOT EVEN MENTIONING SCRIPTURE UPON SCRIPTURE ON WHAT GOD SAYS ON SALVATION.LET GOD JUDGE WHO ENTERS HIS MOST MAGNIFICENT HEAVEN.ONE DAY WE WILL SEE BRIAN.ONE DAY.ARE YOU SOME TYPE OF CATHOLIC APOLOGIST.YOU SAID JESUS BROKE MANY OLD TESTAMENT LAWS.BUT THEN YOU SAY YOU PERSONALLY DONT BELIEVE HE DID.ARE YOU CONFUSED.NO HE DIDNT BREAK NO OLD TESTAMENT LAW.HE BROKE THEIR RELIGIOUS TRADITION.YES HE ONLY BROKE THEIR TRADITION.HE CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW.YOU AGREE.YES.SO WHY DID HE VIOLATE LEVITICUL LAW WHICH SAYS “NO DRINKING BLOOD”.METAPHORS.LOL.PARABLES HMM.YES MOST OF HIS TEACHINGS WERE IN PARABLES.YES.YOU WONT CONFUSE ME BRIAN.IM NOT YOUR AVERAGE PEW DWELLER.I AM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS AND RESEARCHES.I ALSO DONT BELIEVE JUST ANYTHING THEY TELL ME.TO ANSEER YOUR QUESTION ON DID JESUS HONOR HIS MOTHER.THIS IS ALL I WILL SAY CONCERNING YOUR QUESTION.WHEN HIS MOTHER AND BROS N SISTERS WENT LOOKING FOR HIM JESUS WAS SURROUNDED BY CROWDS.HIS MOTHER MARY AND BROS N SIS WERE YELLING LOOKING TO GET THE LORDS ATTENTION.SO THEY TOLD THE LORD YOUR MOTHER AND BROS N SIS LOOKING FOR YOU.THE LORD SAID WHO IS MY MOTHER N BROS N SIS HE SAID THOSE WHO DO THE WILL OF GOD THOSE ARE HIS MOTHER BRO N SIS.SO THTS MY ANSWER.YOU SEE BRIAN YOUR CHURCH SAYS PROTESTANTS N OTHER CHURCHES ARE NOT REAL CHURCHES.BUT WHY DOES GOD WORK IN THE PROTESTANT AND OTHER CHURCHES.YOU MIGHT SAY BECAUSE HE LOVES YOU.OR BECAUSE HE WANTS YOU TO GO BACK TO MOTHER CHURCH.LOL.HE LOVES YOU YES I AGREE WITH YOU.ME AS A BIBLE CHRISTIAN FELT THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.SOMETHING SO INCREDIBLE.SO AWESOME.WOW.I SEE GOD WORKING IN MY LIFE.THINGS I CAN SAY BUT WILL NEVER FINISH.WHY BECAUSE I LOOKED FOR HIM WHOLEHEARTEDLY.I BELIEVE IN HIM AND HIS EVERY WORD HIS BIBLE HIS SHARPER THAN A TWO EDGED SWORD.I WALK BY FAITH.I LIVE BY FAITH.JESUS IS THE ONE.ONE GOD.ONE CREATOR WHO IS ALMIGHTY ALL POWERFUL.YOU SEE IF YOU LOVE HIM MORE THAN YOUR LIFE MORE THAN YOUR HEALTH MORE THAN YOUR RELIGION MORE THAN YOUR POSSESIONS HE WILL SHOW YOU HIS POWER.HE WILL OVERFLOW U WITH HIS PRESENCE AND HOLYSPIRIT.REMEMBRR THIS THE LORD SAYS HE LOOKS OVER ALL THE EARTH LOOKING FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.HE DIDNT SAY LOOKING FOR CATHOLICS WHO LOVE HIM.BUT ALAS.YOU WILL NOT AGREE.I KNOW YOUR KIND.YOUR MIND IS ALREADY MADE UP.YOU WILL NEVER AGREE WITH ME.YOU WILL ONLY BELIEVE WHAT YOUR CHURCH TEACHES.I HAVE STUDIED MUCH PSYCHOLOGY HUMAN BEHAVIOR.NEVER DEBATE A PERSON WHO HAS HIS HER MIND MADE UP.I WILL NOT DEBATE.OPEN YOUR EYES BRIAN.EVERYONE WANTS TO BE TOP DOG.ITS HUMAN NATURE.RELIGION CATHOLICS VS PROTESTANTS VS ORTHODOX.ISLAM SUNNI VS SHIA.ETC…MAN MEDDLES.WHAT DID BASIL SAY WHEN ORTHODOX AND ROMAN CATHOLIC WERE FIGHTING WHICH ONE WAS TRUE CHURCH? BASIL SAID WHICHEVER CHURCH WHO TRADITION ALIGNS WITH HOLY SCRIPTURES (BIBLE) IS THE TRUE CHURCH.OH I FORGOT TO TELL YOU GOD IS SAYING IN HIS BIBLE THAT TRADITION HAS TO ALIGN WITH SCRIPTURE.SCRIPTURE BASED.RCC FAILS MISERABLY.I DIDNT COME HERE TO DEBATE.JUST FOR RESEARCH.BUT MRS LEILA SAID MANY THINGS I DIDNT AGREE SO I POSTED.SHES NOT REAL KNOWLEDGABLE.SO HOW CAN SHE BE RESPECTED AS A RELIGIOUS TEACHER OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.SHE DOESNT EVEN KNOW HOW PROTESTANTS GOT THE NAME PROTESTAN.LOL.SHE SAID SHE BELIEVES PROTESTANTS NAMED THEMSELVES PROTESTANTS.I WILL NOT EVEN TELL YOU HOW THE NAME PROTESTANT CAME TO BE.LOL.KEEP YOU GUESSING.NA YOU CAN EASILY FIND OUT BY RESEARCHING.AND LEILA IS THE ONE BEHIND THIS WEBSITE.REMEMBER IM NOT AN AVERAGE PEW DWELLER.SO BRIAN.THIS THE LAST YOU HEAR FROM ME.I WILL NOT ENGAGE IN A DEBATE.IT WILL NEVER END.WE WILL BE JESUS IS THE ROCK NO PETER IS THE ROCK PETROS…ON AND ON.SO IT ENDS.BUT DONT FEEL I DISLIKE YOU OR LEILA.NO.I WISH YOU CAN AGREE WITH ME WERE BROTHERS N SISTERS IN CHRIST.SALVATION IS FOR ALL JOHN 3:16…PEACE.TAKE CARE GOD BLESS.FIND THE LOST.GO OUT AND FIND THE ONES WALKING IN DARKNESS AND BRING THEM INTO THE LIGHT.JESUS CAME TO MAKE DEAD MEN LIVE.

  • Siegfried Paul

    [My following comment was not published on http://garvan.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/in-search-of-the-great-poem-of-the-earth/ less than one hour ago : ] I correct – “February 22, 2013 at 3:00 am” – “JAKOBITEN”. I add that, unfortunately, today’s eclipse of the moon the cannot be used to discuss with “DRUSEN” and “JAKOBITEN” an opinion of Brian A. that the woman in the “APOCALYPSE” of the disciple whom Jesus loves – http://catholicstand.com/protestants-its-time-to-come-back/ (I found no new answer less than one hour ago) – is not the mother of Jesus. We would also have to consider at the moment, that in the end there is no moon in the “APOCALYPSE” – “21:23″. I commented, in Germany on the opinion of a guide in Rome that Titian is painting the moon, not an eclipse of the sun – http://www.tanogabo.it/arte/tiziano/tizianocrocifissione.html . Jesus is nailed to cross with three nails on this painting, not with four nails or with two nails.

  • Gresu

    H Hobbit, If you went to the novus ordo missae mass on Saturday, you returned to the new religion designed by Bugnini and six protestant ministers of the post Vatican II Council church. The Roman Catholic Church offers the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass only on Sunday for Catholics to complete their Sunday obligation. They do exist. Masses are offered on Saturday as each week day but Saturday is not an option for Sunday.
    Leila Miller does a great disservice by not explaining properly which church she is calling protestants back to. In fact. Leila should explain that the missionary spirit is not part of the 16-Vatican II documents of the
    modern- ized, post Vatican II church she is asking protestants to attend..

  • Benny

    Catholics are much more in crisis right now than Protestants. Ten thousands of Catholic priests committed sexual abuse all over the world. What does it mean? The Catholic Church must repent. The Pope must repent. Why your Pope resigned? It must because he did some serious mistakes that pressed him resigned. Thanks.GBU

  • http://black-avenger-1.livejournal.com/profile VirusX

    Most atheists I know began as catholics. And please do not lecture on morality. The catholics are AWASH in moral crises, ranging from leftism, to buffet line belief (picking and chosing what to believe in the catholic revisionist bible), to support for homosexuality and child murder.

    Furthermore, you are certainly not our “mother”, in any way. The Protestant churches existed before Catholocism, and the Catholic Church is not mentioned anywhere in any creditable Bible, or the Dead Sea Scrolls, or the Masorhetic Texts. Acts 11:26 mentions “Christians”, but there is no mention of Catholics. In fact, with all the letters Paul wrote to the churches, with the letters written by Peter, and the gospel of James, there is absolutely no mention of Catholics. In The Book of Revelation, all the root churches are mentioned. Not a word about the Catholics. Catholicism and Christenfom are two very different faiths, and Catholics are just very militant about perpetuating the false narrative that all churches sprang from them.

    If you’re so concerned about satanic activity, maybe you should look in your own church. Our churches don’t preach an unbiblical gospel of celibate priests and second class nuns. Christendom doesn’t need kings calling themselves popes and cardinals to fall at the feet of. Christendom doesn’t preach in alien languages, and discourage people from reading their own Bible, as opposed to trusting a priest that isn’t even speaking their language. Christendom doesn’t teach that you need to confess your secrets to a man just as sinful as you are, and call him your “father”.

    Your assertion that Christians need to “come back” is ridiculous. If anyone needs to come back to faith, and leave useless, unbiblical, man-made traditions behind that have never saved a single soul, it’s the Catholics. Protestantism didn’t need to call itself that, until the Catholics begin to spread the lie that they were the original church. It isn’t us that are heritecs, or part of a destructive cult. If anyone needs to repent, if anyone needs to come back to the true faith, it’s the Catholics. Mary is not calling you, no man made false Saints are calling you, Jesus Christ, King of the Jews, and the One True God is calling you. In Christ’s church, the yolk is easy. You don’t have to be lectured to in languages that you don’t speak and run the risk of being deceived; you’re not forced to listen to false doctrines, such as that of catechism and limbo; you’re not forced to pay exorbitant amounts of money for building; you’re not forced to support militant organizations and teachings. You just have a staff of pastors and deacons the view themselves as Human Beings, just like you are, and not higher ranking Paragons of superior virtue. Get out of the cult that is catholocism. Come back to non denominational Christianity, where the Lord Jesus Christ intended you to be. The Catholic Church is crumbling all about you, but the true house of God still stands, and will always stand.

  • http://black-avenger-1.livejournal.com/profile VirusX

    I forgot to address some points:

    “The Catholic Church has never taught that contraception is a moral good, and she never will.”

    I really don’t understand how you believe that makes the Catholic Church special, considering I’ve never heard any church teach uch a thing as being right. Even a cursory scan of the letters of the Apostle (not “saint”; all followers of Christ are saints, and do not need the permission of a man-made church to hold that title) Paul shows that this is common knowledge.

    “The Catholic Church has never taught that sterilization is a moral good, and she never will.”

    Again, your arguments amount to nothing more than a straw man. The Textus Receptus, Dead Sea Scrolls, and Masoretic Texts also this long before the Catholic Church ever existed. Again, no reputable church that I know of says anything other than this. However, the Catholic Church does teach the false doctrine prohibiting contraception. This, like many other aspects of Catholicism, is unbiblical, and not a teaching of Jesus Christ.

    “The Catholic Church has never taught that masturbation is a moral good, and she never will.”

    Strawman argument. No Christian denomination: than I have ever heard of says anything different.

    “The Catholic Church has never taught that abortion is a moral good, and she never will.”

    This is a red herring. The Catholic Church has overwhelmingly supported abortion and outright infanticide in there overwhelming support for political candidates that advocate such things. This includes such same as Catholics as Nancy Pelosi and Joseph Biden. can flex also overwhelmingly voted for Barack Hussein Obama, an abortion and infanticide fanatic. You cannot claim to be against a position, as an organization, and grant enthusiastic support to a political organization that glorifies the very positions you claim to abhor. If your assertions had any truth, then the Catholic Church would have done something about these people. Instead, the Catholic Church continues to glad hand and give them communion. You should refer to the instructions from the Apostle Paul, who says that to take communion as an unbeliever or infidel is to eat and drink your own damnation.

    “The Catholic Church has never taught that fornication is a moral good, and she never will.”

    More strawmen. I know of no church that does.

    “The Catholc Church has nevetaught that homosexual activity is a moral good, and she never will.”

    This is patently untrue. Father Pflieger, a so-called spiritual advisor to Barack Hussein Obama, has refused to denounce homosexuality is a sin against God. Now, your newest Pope is saying that he is in no position to judge, and has long since been believed to be soft on allowing homosexual clergy in the Catholic Church.

    If these weak arguments stem from your lack of understanding of the truth faith, I once again urge you to get out of the Catholic Church. I urge you to find a church home in the true faith of Jesus Christ, and be saved.

  • Ted

    “What do Protestants want the Catholic church to do, such that if it is
    done, Protestantism will end and they will become Catholic again?”

    This is the question that led me to read Martin Luther’s 95 theses. I
    expected to find denouncements of Marian theology, the Eucharist, and
    other Catholic doctrines that Protestants now reject. Instead,
    Luther’s theses only reject the Catholic doctrine of indulgences and
    vaguely question confession to priests and papal authority. My quest
    to understand modern Protestantism gets more interesting…

    I told some Protestant friends that for the first 1500 years of Christianity
    it was taught that bread and wine become Jesus’ real body and blood
    during consecration of the mass. I asked them, “Was this doctrine
    which Protestants now reject, wrong from the beginning?” Their
    response blew my mind. I expected them to open the bible and make
    scriptural arguments against it. Instead, they said in different
    ways, “Does it matter? Isn’t lovingaccepting Jesus the most
    important thing?” To me this seemed the equivalent of a husband
    asking his wife to do something, her refusing but telling him she
    loves him anyway. How could Protestants refuse to obey Jesus’
    commands to eat his flesh and drink his blood then say it didn’t
    matter because they loved him anyway?

    After much thought I’ve reached the conclusion there is nothing apart from
    an act of God that will bring American protestants back to the
    Catholic Church because the primary difference isn’t doctrinal –
    it’s cultural. Americans want choice and believe they have an
    inherent right to it. Coupled with a distrustdislike of authority in
    general, you have the modern American protestant idea that they
    should be able to worship God the way they want, usually with rock
    music. It reminds me of a saying:

    “Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and
    became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it
    moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became
    an enterprise.”
    -Sam Pascoe

    • Marty Luther

      Ted,
      Unfortunately, you were questioning uninformed Protestants – which I might add is the majority nowadays. Just like I believe that most Catholics are uninformed about most of what the Church teaches. The vast majority from both groups are even less informed about what the Bible has to say and this is the true tragedy because this is where ultimate Truth is found.
      Just because something has been around 1500 years does not mean that it is not wrong. Many false religions have been around a lot longer than that. To find out what is right and what is true, there is only one place to go and that would be to the Revelation that God has given us – His Word – the Bible.
      Marty @ ThinkonHisTruth

  • Willie – Protestant

    Strange that you quote the fourth commandment as honouring your father and mother while the true fourth commandment is to Remember the Sabbath day. The question is why have the church changed the scriptures? Because it bows down to idols. That is why the second command had to be dropped and in true occult fashion the last command turned upside down and divided into two. Doesn’t the Bible, the true Bible and not the NIV and other Jesuit-supported Bibles state that no-one is to change the Word of God? Oh wait, the pope claims he have that right as a mere human. He is the Vicar of Christ, Ante = anti = in the place of, Christos = Christ…
    So, prophesy is being fulfilled right in front of our very eyes.

  • Cameron Byrd

    I am a Christian who has a problem with this article. I am not new to the Catholic Church as I have done research as to what Church I want to be a part of. We are in this together. There is no need to bash other denominations. When I meet someone who is in need of Christ I do not automatically bring them to the Church of Christ. I ask them questions as to what they want in a Church family. I will never condemn the Catholic Church or any Christian Church because that is not my place. As a follower of Christ I am taught to spread the good news which is Christ died for our sins so that we can get to Heaven through him. The Bible was left wide open for a reason. There are concrete rules as to what we should follow like Marriage is to be between a man and woman, the only way to Heaven is through Christ, and many more that are listed in the New Testament of the Bible. The way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. There is no other way to get there. Also I am so tired of reading articles about different denominations saying that we need to conform to their way or else all will be lost. It will not be lost if we as Christians follow the Bible. I have been to Baptist Churches that bash Catholics and I will never go back again because of that. Like I said earlier: We are in this together.

  • Lee

    Catholics, it is time for you to come back to the Bible. Your popes have been leading you astray for centuries. Do you think Jesus would have established a Church that tortured, pillaged, and waged war to gain power for the Pope? Do you think Jesus wanted his followers to be led by a man who calls himself infallible and lives in a palace while millions of fellow Catholics live in miserable poverty? It clearly says in the Bible that Jesus had brothers, yet you still maintain the lie that Mary had no children other than Jesus. You place so much importance on Mary, and love to say the Rosary. Did you ever read what the Bible says about repeating prayers over and over again, like the pagans? Jesus condemns your Rosary. You say that Mary was without sin. This contradicts the clear word of the Bible that every human has sinned, except for Jesus himself. You have abandoned Jesus and followed a man, and not the word of God. Once you abandon the Bible as your authority, you will fall for anything. America was founded by Protestants who understand that the Vatican is evil. Are you an American? If so, become a Protestant and stop following our enemies in the Vatican. I could go on and on, but to sum up: read the New Testament and compare the words of Jesus with your so-called Catholic Church. Then make up your mind who you believe: the Pope, or Jesus.