David L. Gray’s Self-Debate: Wrong Side of History Argument

| 02-12-AD2014 | [11]

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If you haven’t heard by now, Catholics are on the wrong side of history when it comes to issues such as homosexual marriage, contraception, abortion, and any other number of life destroying issues. We don’t know it yet, but, apparently, sometime in the near distant future, or in a galaxy far far away, we are completely wrong about absolutely everything! We just don’t know it yet . . .

For the past couple of years, this closing argument has been a favorite of liberals. Essentially, their position is that they know the future, and we don’t. Therefore, we should just shut up about what we believe, because they have found out that they win in the end.

Recently, two US Senators wrote a letter to the National Football League commissioner, Roger Goodell, stating that the NFL was on the ‘wrong side of history’ by allowing the Washington Redskins to keep their name that they say people see as a racial slur. There is even a song by Daryl Hall of the Daryl Hall and John Oats fame entitled, ‘Wrong Side of History’, but I think that song is about a woman who broke up with him or something. Nevertheless, I thought I would flush out some of the fallacies of this weak argument by arguing with myself aloud. Here we go . . .

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David: Therefore, for all the reasons I’ve stated I completely believe and can prove through natural law, reason, empirical evidence, and Divine revelation that homosexual marriage and homosexual acts are unnatural, immoral, and demonic.

Gray: Well, you’re on the wrong side of history with this issue, buddy!

David: What do you mean that I’m on the wrong side of history?

Gray: What I mean is what I said. You are on the wrong side of history. It won’t be long before now that homosexual marriage is legal everywhere and accepted by everyone. Dinosaurs like you David are like salmons swimming against a non-existent stream in a bonedry creek.

David: Don’t you think it’s just a little presumptuous on your part to claim to know the future? I mean, do you like have a time machine or something that I don’t know about? Did you like visit the future and see me there in a state of depression, because I was on the wrong side of history fifty years ago? Or did Future Man come and visit you late last night just to tell you that you win in the end? Tell me what evidence can you present to prove your statement that I am on the wrong side of history?

Gray: The evidence I have is the present. What you people believe about homosexual marriage now is exactly what you believed about it fifty years ago. You haven’t changed, and just as those people fifty years ago have now been proved to have been on the wrong side of history, so are you people today on the wrong side of history. Again, my evidence is the right here and right now.

David: Well, the problem with that train of thought is that you aren’t saying that I’m on the wrong side of the present. What you’re actually arguing is that I’m on the wrong side of what you presume is going to happen in the future. That being said, there is no way for you to know that the popularity of apathy and sexual indifferentism will continue for the next fifty years.

In fact, history states that what you thought was going to happen actually doesn’t happen. For example, those who killed Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, thought that they were on the right side of history. The Apostles behaved and wrote in such a way that leads us to believe that they thought that Jesus was coming back rather soon. China thought that kicking the missionaries out was going to kill off Christianity in a country that now has, arguably, the world’s most Christians. According to some, we were supposed to have flying cars by now. That didn’t happen! Therefore, not only is your argument that we are on the wrong side of history non-verifiable and presumptuous, but, altogether, it is the height of arrogance!

Gray: No. I’m not being presumptuous or arrogant. More and more people are becoming accepting of the way homosexuals want to live their lives and love each other in committed marriage. When they look back to this time in history, they are going to look at you people just as we look at slave traders and slave owners today.

David: So, you’re argument that I am on the wrong side of history boils down to your non-verifiable presumption that future people aren’t going to like me, because you say so? That future people aren’t going to like me, because I didn’t conform to what you believe is inevitable going to become the status quo?

I would like for you to prove to me that your source of authority actually exists. (Whatever it may be – call him Future Man or some documents that you gathered from you visit to the future.) If you cannot produce your source of authority that I am on the wrong side of history, then your appeal to this imagined authority isn’t worth a bottle of trucker tea or a jar of chewing tobacco spit.

Gray: My source of authority is the fact that humans have a history of being wrong and then being convinced by a growing majority of people that they were wrong on an issue. That is how we have always progressed as human beings.

David: Actually, humans have a mixed track record there. Historical man and woman have made many mistakes. Civilizations have died out, because they were wrong. Civilizations also have had a history of persecuting, exiling, and killing minority and dissenting voices.

It may very well be the case that countries that have accepted and legalized lifestyles and actions that either kill or fail to produce new life will die off. In fact, the natural law of reproduction bears more witness to me being able to argue that you are on the wrong side of history on this issue, than you can argue that I am on the wrong side.

Gray: We’ll see . . .

David: So that’s the summation of your argument? ‘We’ll see ….”? Really? Isn’t that just more presumption and appeal to your imagination? That’s the best that you can do?

Let us be clear. When you tell me that I am on the wrong side of history, what you’re actually talking about is some deep seated need that you have to validate your beliefs with a faith proposition. For whatever reason, you seem to have faith in how you believe that the future is going to agree with you. That’s very hopeful! I admire your optimism, even if it’s rooted in pride.

As for me, I have faith in the fact that Satan loses in the end, and holiness wins. Many martrys have died, because they were on the wrong side of the present, but were on the right side of eternity with God. You see . . . I can actually appeal to a number of sources of Divine authority to prove that you are the one that is on the wrong side of the only history that truly matters. Perhaps you should more carefully consider on whose side of history you are actually on, buddy.

©2014. David L. Gray. All rights reserved.

About the Author:

David L. Gray is a Catholic author, radio host, and founder of DavidLGray.INFO Inc., where he blogs at regularly; giving his fresh Catholic perspective on all things relevant and interesting. DavidLGray.INFO Inc. is a ministry that is consecrated to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. "My calling from God is to the John the Baptist Ministry; meaning that I’m here to live in truth, through word and action, and point people to Christ Jesus through the lenses of the Catholic Church." David is a part-time Disneyland dad and full-time father to three beautiful daughters, an ecstatic 2006 Catholic convert, an indifferent 1997 graduate of Central State University, a proud 2002 dropout of Antioch McGregor Graduate School, and a mild mannered graduate student at Franciscan University of Steubenville; working towards a Master of Arts Degree in Theology and Christian Ministry.
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  • james

    I think it is possible you might be on the wrong side of charity. But the real question is what natural outcome do you see coming from this ? Give me a purview of what this
    ” sexual indifferentism ” will result in. Surely you can expound on where this low road will go and what it will look like once the whole matter becomes history. You have Sodom and Gomorrah to reference and … what else ? I’m not asking you to read
    the future – just the prognosis from such a decisive fork in history.

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      It’s pretty simple natural mathematical equation James, the fewer people that there are to reproduce the fewer people are born. The fewer there are that are born, the less opportunity humanity has to repopulate. Similarly, the more people who do reproduce, but kill their children, the fewer people there are to reproduce. Altogether, it’s nihilistic self annihilation. I think God onto something when He made His very first command to ‘be fruitful and multiply’.

    • james

      An unusual outlook for sure since this same group has never been one
      to multiply, but thank you for the reply.

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  • Peter

    I’m with you David. Their argument is absurd. If this final shove to accept the homosexual agenda isn’t enough, now we have Republicans, likely anything goes to get votes libertarians, throwing their “cowboy hats” in the ring to give their support to same sex marriage. Here’s the link. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/republican-group-shows-support-for-gay-marriage/2014/03/04/5ab7613a-a3fb-11e3-b865-38b254d92063_story.html
    How will I ever be able to vote again without being complicit in evil?

    • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Wow. Thanks for the link Peter. Not much difference between Republicans and Democrats these days. I also just heard Obama say that Putin was on the wrong side of history in the Ukraine conflict. lol

  • HowardRichards

    Of course, built into this is the idea that whatever happened 50 years ago, or 100 years ago, or 1000 years ago, was passing and transient, but that what is happening TODAY will endure forever. What a coincidence that we happen to be living at just the moment when mankind — er, personkind — achieves perfection!

  • cestusdei

    Christ is the center of history.

  • Steve Willy

    “Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.”
    Nikita Khrushchev. Leftist. Atheist. On the wrong side of history.

  • http://www.norad.mil/ Dr_Falken

    It’s worth noting that to a Leftist, only the future is certain: the past is always changing :-)

    What they mean is that since Leftists write the textbooks in this country, they are fairly certain of what the history books will say. And I capitalize Leftists because it’s a religion.